UTBA II........Poll number 4

[SAL]

You are voting to use a fighters overall Prime rating to count towards the team cap while he is in the beginner, pre-prime & Prime stage. Then let the 2.5 game ratings take over and count towards the team cap after a fighter has passed his prime (post-prime & end stages).
This is how it was going to work in the UTBA where we used the Prime OR towards the team cap until a fighter reached post-prime and then we would pro-rate the OR towards the team cap as a fighter aged to end stage.

If you want to use a fighter's overall prime rating to count towards the team cap until he reaches post-prime, vote yes.

If you vote no.......please post suggestions in this thread on how we can work the team cap.

[Romultiltus]

I think that this is a good idea. Just like in pro-sports, high draft picks get paid a lot of money based on their potential. Therefore, teams must take hits to the salary caps for rookies even if they are not fully developed yet.

This concept can be applied to our league substituting cap points for real cap $$$. If a team owner does not want to clog up cap space w/ untested fighters still in Beginning or Pre-Prime stages of development - then just don't draft them.

Once a fighter moves into Post-Prime or End, it is clear that his best days are behind him and therefore not worth as much. A team is not spending valuable cap points on a fading fighter if his cap number decreases once entering Post-Prime or End.

Of course this evolution will not play a big part in league for several seasons. Keep in mind that in UTBA-I, fighters did not start moving to Post-Prime until into their 5th full season.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by Romultiltus

I think that this is a good idea. Just like in pro-sports, high draft picks get paid a lot of money based on their potential. Therefore, teams must take hits to the salary caps for rookies even if they are not fully developed yet.

This concept can be applied to our league substituting cap points for real cap $$$. If a team owner does not want to clog up cap space w/ untested fighters still in Beginning or Pre-Prime stages of development - then just don't draft them.

Once a fighter moves into Post-Prime or End, it is clear that his best days are behind him and therefore not worth as much. A team is not spending valuable cap points on a fading fighter if his cap number decreases once entering Post-Prime or End.

Of course this evolution will not play a big part in league for several seasons. Keep in mind that in UTBA-I, fighters did not start moving to Post-Prime until into their 5th full season.

Very well said Dave. Couldn't agree more.

[mh2365]

I'm in agreement with Dave ... just because I think you would of had to give it two seasons at least until you could have used the lower end ratings.

My only problem is the guys you draft at the start will always set all the records for wins and so on because that is the only group that will face similar staged fighters. Which sort of changes my mind about the minor leagues.

[Romultiltus]

Originally Posted by mh2365

I'm in agreement with Dave ... just because I think you would of had to give it two seasons at least until you could have used the lower end ratings.

My only problem is the guys you draft at the start will always set all the records for wins and so on because that is the only group that will face similar staged fighters. Which sort of changes my mind about the minor leagues.

We'll have to just wait and see about the records. With the top-rated fighter allowed initally only a "10", we really don't know what will happen later on.

I would be shocked if we see another Mickey Walker right off the bat in UTBA-II. We'll never know how 14-rated Roberto Duran's career would have panned out. He was a rookie in Season 5 and started out with a 10-0-2 (6) record and was still at Beginning.

[Romdawg88]

I just realized, due to Dave's post, that Walker is rated 11 which would mean Matt couldn't bring him in to his new team. YES, FREEDOM no more Walker crushing every middleweight I own, at least for awhile anyway.

[Brooks TVB]

I'm with the points cap. I also don't see why you can't draft 1 stud fighter(11+ rating). Thats like saying you can't draft Michael Jordan or Peyton Manning. If you want to spend your points on one fighter you'll just suffer with another fighter.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by Brooks TVB

I'm with the points cap. I also don't see why you can't draft 1 stud fighter(11+ rating). Thats like saying you can't draft Michael Jordan or Peyton Manning. If you want to spend your points on one fighter you'll just suffer with another fighter.

Agree on the one stud fighter. When we started the UTBA the first time......we all started out on even ground and seemed to work pretty good. In later seasons starting in season 2, 12+ fighters were introduced to the league and the owner then had a choice how to spend his cap (spend big on one fighter but suffer somewhere else on his roster).

[jbergey22]

Im not a huge fan of the cap. I thought it worked well with UTBA1 because we were trying something new and kept the league balanced but looking back I think it makes certain 4 rated fighters more valuable than 12 rated fighters. IMO with a cap it severely dimishes the value of some of the best fighters of All time. I wouldnt mind starting out with a cap and just get rid of it after year 2. With the ability to generate new fighters we wont have to worry about the talented fighter pool running out anymore.

[bigMatt]

Why no 11's? Why not like the first time?

[SAL]

Originally Posted by bigMatt

Why no 11's? Why not like the first time?

I'm not trying to pick on the Beavers here......just Mickey. Let me try to explain my madness. We started the original UTBA out with a team cap of 97. I'm trying to meet in the middle of the road for starters in the UTBA II (between the expansion cap of 95 and the hard cap of 105).

The database is not blessed with a lot of 11 rated fighters. What I'm trying to do this time around when adding fighters to the draft pool, add the fighters by overall ratings by percentage compared to the total number of fighters per weight class. This way hopefully, the draft pool will not get out of hand.

Here's an example of some numbers when adding fighters to the draft pool for the next 10 drafts (10 seasons), using just the HW, LHW, MW & WW divisions.
In the next 10 seasons there will only be 1 (11 rated fighter) added in the Heavyweight & Lightheavyweight & Welterweight divisions and 2 - 11's added in the Middleweight division. That makes a total of just 5 - 11's added to the draft pool over the next 10 seasons in these four weight classes.

If we allow all 24 teams to pick one 11.......we may not see any 11's added to the draft for 20 seasons. Right or wrong....this is my only reason for the change from the original version.

I'm currently working on the numbers for the next 10 drafts. When finished, I'll post it so everybody will have an idea of what to expect in the upcoming drafts.

Here's what I'm planning on to get the UTBA II started:

Originally Posted by SAL

First time rosters for the UTBA II.
The UTBA II will only use the original 8 weight classes. I'll combine all jr. classes with the original.

• SW & Jr. Fly's will move to Flyweight
• All Jr. classes will move up one weight class
• SMW's will be moved to the LHW's
• CW's will be moved to the HW's

Guidelines for setting up your initial roster for the UTBA II:

All managers shall make a list of 16 fighters (2 fighters in each of
the original 8 weight divisions) that they want using the following guidelines.
Each team must have:
1 fighter rated 10
1 fighter rated 9
2 fighters rated 8
3 fighters rated 7
3 fighters rated 6
3 fighters rated 5
2 fighters rated 4
1 fighter rated 3
and submit the list to SAL by PM.
(This would be a starting cap of 100 and leave 5 points towards the 105 hard cap to play with later on)

All fighters that were on an active roster when the league folded and not retained by an owner for the initial team setup in the UTBA II will not be allowed on any roster for the start of the UTBA II. I will compile a list of all the fighters that were on active rosters and post it here in this thread. Previous owners will be allowed to retain 3 fighters from their last active roster meeting the above guidelines even though the fighters name will appear on the can't pick from list that I'll post later.

I will introduce 12 fighters in each of the 8 weight classes at the mid-point of season 1 to fill the Draft/Waiver Pool. All of these fighters will be rated between 3 & 8 overall Prime.

[Brooks TVB]

Should we fill out our drafts now?

[Romdawg88]

Well, we're still an owner short and I think we have a few more things to vote on so I don't think SAL is ready to start taking draft lists but going ahead and planning out your team is probably a good idea. I know I've already started thinking about who I want to bring over from the old Muckboys and what direction I what to take the new Muckboys in.

[mh2365]

I am pretty confident on my 3 keepers ... 2 are definite. I will probably need to see the list of non draftables prior to picking my team because I never really paid much attention to other fighters on the other teams.

[Romdawg88]

I'm pretty solid on my 3 keepers and I've created an early roster for my team while I'm sitting here on the phone with some Tech support guys.

[Brooks TVB]

I suppose I'll go to work on mine then. Thanks guys.

[IceTea]

Can I keep Peter Jackson (11)? If we have a hard cap, it isn't an issue when someone has a fighter rated 11 or higher. We are keeping alot of great fighters out of the league. I think every fighter should be fair game. If I pick Joe Louis, it will cost me due to having to roster a couple 2 rated fighters.

[bigMatt]

Frankly, I don't understand why one of my keepers - Walker - should be unavailable to me. This doesn't make sense.

[kenyan_cheena]

I'd love to be able to keep Monzon and Chavez.

[Brooks TVB]

I wouldn't have a problem as a new owner letting people take a high rated fighter. It only hurts your cap. I do however see that for starting you should only be allowed 1 fighter rated 10 or higher.