UTBA-II Revised Scoring

Romultiltus · 05-19-2008, 11:01 PM

A while back when the polls went up to modify the scoring, I sent Scot (SAL) a PM regarding a tweaking the scoring a bit for UTBA-II. After first being against the 3-point award for a decision victory, I thought about it and realized that it would actually be good for the league by removing the large discrepencies between the sluggers and boxers.

Below is my actual PM...

BTW, has a definite decision been made yet about scoring? I wanted to check w/ you before I posted anything on the subject. I actually prefer the old scoring method, but do see how a majority of the guys want it changed to benefit slick fighters w/ 3 pts for a decision victory instead of 2.

The excitment in boxing is generated by KO victories more than judges decisions in my opinion. What are your thoughts about a comprimise between the two camps. My suggestion will complicate scoring a bit, but it can be done.

3.5 PTS for KO decisions
3.0 PTS for TKO and Unanimous decisions
2.0 PTS for Split, Majority, and DQ decisions
1.0 PTS for Draw decision
-1.0 PTS for DQ loss

Explosive KO power should be rewarded w/ a bit of a bonus and 0.5 PTS is not that big of a deal, plus it will aid in settling ties. Owners who choose to stock their roster w/ slick boxers will also be rewarded w/ 3 PTS for a clear Unanimous Decison, but not for Split or Majority decisions. I don't agree with the premise that a Split decision is as impressive as a KO victory, but will concede that a Unanimous decision and a TKO can be considered equal.
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Overall, as I stated above, I believe that the KO is an explosive and definitive crowd-pleasing ending to a fight and should therefore be rewarded as such. Giving a KO bonus of a .5 PT will not create the disparity in scoring that we all saw in UTBA-I.

Unanimous Decisions are clear cut victories and along with TKO stoppages, should be rewarded with 3 PTS.

Majority, Split and DQ victories are not as decisive and should only be worth 2 PTS. Draws (any type) remain worth 1 PT.

I have run about a half-dozen sims with my new Tomato City roster against various other teams to test the scoring. Overall the total points have increased mainly due to the 3-PT Unanimous Decisions. The number of true KO victories ranged between 5 and 10 combined between the two teams with neither team with an overwhelming advantage. That works out between adding only 2.5 to 5 extra points to the totals combined.

The total number of Unanimous Decisons ranged between 8 and 11 combined between both teams adding 8-11 points to the overall totals.

Split/Majority decisons accounted for around 5-8 bouts.

In all catagories of decisions, I did not see any drastic advantage to filling a roster with heavy punchers. (Even a feather-fisted guy gets a lucky KO once and a while and should be rewarded for it.)

Unless he has changed his mind from our earlier conversations, Scot (SAL) said he agrees and supports this new points awarded distribution.

I'm curious to know what others think of this idea...

jbergey22 · 05-19-2008, 11:04 PM

I like it a lot.

I do think KO's were rewarded too much in UTBA but I also do think a KO should be a small bonus over any scorecard decision. This seems to fit that bill perfect.

SAL · 05-19-2008, 11:22 PM

I still agree and I like it as well.

Romdawg88 · 05-19-2008, 11:26 PM

I like it and I think it address all the issues others had with the old scoring system. Of course, what I really want to know is...

Quote:

I have run about a half-dozen sims with my new Tomato City roster against various other teams to test the scoring. Overall the total points have increased mainly due to the 3-PT Unanimous Decisions.

...how did the Muckboys/TC series go during these sims?

Romultiltus · 05-19-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

...how did the Muckboys/TC series go during these sims?

I only ran 1 sim between against the Muckboys and not surprisingly it ended in a tie 46.5 - 46.5

You'll be happy to hear that one match I ran against one of the other teams in our divison ended in a massive blowout:

Tomato City 73, Team XXX 24

I won't say who it was, but some things haven't changed in the division...

Romdawg88 · 05-19-2008, 11:33 PM

Ha, nice thats what I like to hear. Also, damn 73 points wow that would have blown away the old record.

Claybor · 05-20-2008, 02:08 AM

I very much like this scoring system.

bear · 05-20-2008, 02:50 AM

We are the chorus and we agree.

kenyan_cheena · 05-20-2008, 02:53 AM

Well, I don't like it!

Just kidding. I like it, too.

mh2365 · 05-20-2008, 04:43 AM

Looks good

Tommysixfingers · 05-20-2008, 05:13 AM

My opinion is that a win is a win, knockout or not. I think that a UD and a KO should be equal in points. I’m not sure what the point of rasing a UD win is when you raise a KO win as well.

Maybe I misunderstood (a very plausible scenario)

CONN CHRIS · 05-20-2008, 07:38 AM

I agree with the Swedish dude.

bigMatt · 05-20-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I agree with the Swedish dude.

That makes three of us.

IceTea · 05-20-2008, 03:30 PM

I don't think KO wins should be worth more than decision wins.

Ian Lord · 05-20-2008, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

My opinion is that a win is a win, knockout or not. I think that a UD and a KO should be equal in points. I’m not sure what the point of rasing a UD win is when you raise a KO win as well.

Maybe I misunderstood (a very plausible scenario)

I also agree with this. I'm also not too keen on introducing half-points.

jbergey22 · 05-20-2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

My opinion is that a win is a win, knockout or not. I think that a UD and a KO should be equal in points. I’m not sure what the point of rasing a UD win is when you raise a KO win as well.

Maybe I misunderstood (a very plausible scenario)

Because previous scoring had a KO win worth .50000 as much...the new system has it like .142 or something like that....very minimal advantage this way.

Bronx Bomber 15 · 05-22-2008, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romultiltus

I only ran 1 sim between against the Muckboys and not surprisingly it ended in a tie 46.5 - 46.5

You'll be happy to hear that one match I ran against one of the other teams in our divison ended in a massive blowout:

Tomato City 73, Team XXX 24

I won't say who it was, but some things haven't changed in the division...

Why do I have the feeling it was my guys who got romped

I ran two test match ups against TC this morning: the Owls won one and TC won the other. Both times the score had the winner in the mid 50's and the loser in the low 40's on points (I don't have the results right in front of me, just going from memory). The only fighters to win both their bouts in both matchups were Frank Bruno and Mark Breland.
Of course it means nothing until it's real...but it gives me a shred of hope.

05-19-2008, 11:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Romultiltus Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: East Haven, CT Posts: 12,149	UTBA-II Revised Scoring A while back when the polls went up to modify the scoring, I sent Scot (SAL) a PM regarding a tweaking the scoring a bit for UTBA-II. After first being against the 3-point award for a decision victory, I thought about it and realized that it would actually be good for the league by removing the large discrepencies between the sluggers and boxers. Below is my actual PM... BTW, has a definite decision been made yet about scoring? I wanted to check w/ you before I posted anything on the subject. I actually prefer the old scoring method, but do see how a majority of the guys want it changed to benefit slick fighters w/ 3 pts for a decision victory instead of 2. The excitment in boxing is generated by KO victories more than judges decisions in my opinion. What are your thoughts about a comprimise between the two camps. My suggestion will complicate scoring a bit, but it can be done. 3.5 PTS for KO decisions 3.0 PTS for TKO and Unanimous decisions 2.0 PTS for Split, Majority, and DQ decisions 1.0 PTS for Draw decision -1.0 PTS for DQ loss Explosive KO power should be rewarded w/ a bit of a bonus and 0.5 PTS is not that big of a deal, plus it will aid in settling ties. Owners who choose to stock their roster w/ slick boxers will also be rewarded w/ 3 PTS for a clear Unanimous Decison, but not for Split or Majority decisions. I don't agree with the premise that a Split decision is as impressive as a KO victory, but will concede that a Unanimous decision and a TKO can be considered equal. __________________ Overall, as I stated above, I believe that the KO is an explosive and definitive crowd-pleasing ending to a fight and should therefore be rewarded as such. Giving a KO bonus of a .5 PT will not create the disparity in scoring that we all saw in UTBA-I. Unanimous Decisions are clear cut victories and along with TKO stoppages, should be rewarded with 3 PTS. Majority, Split and DQ victories are not as decisive and should only be worth 2 PTS. Draws (any type) remain worth 1 PT. I have run about a half-dozen sims with my new Tomato City roster against various other teams to test the scoring. Overall the total points have increased mainly due to the 3-PT Unanimous Decisions. The number of true KO victories ranged between 5 and 10 combined between the two teams with neither team with an overwhelming advantage. That works out between adding only 2.5 to 5 extra points to the totals combined. The total number of Unanimous Decisons ranged between 8 and 11 combined between both teams adding 8-11 points to the overall totals. Split/Majority decisons accounted for around 5-8 bouts. In all catagories of decisions, I did not see any drastic advantage to filling a roster with heavy punchers. (Even a feather-fisted guy gets a lucky KO once and a while and should be rewarded for it.) Unless he has changed his mind from our earlier conversations, Scot (SAL) said he agrees and supports this new points awarded distribution. I'm curious to know what others think of this idea... __________________ UTBA Links Page

05-19-2008, 11:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
jbergey22 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,328	I like it a lot. I do think KO's were rewarded too much in UTBA but I also do think a KO should be a small bonus over any scorecard decision. This seems to fit that bill perfect. __________________

05-19-2008, 11:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: McCune, Kansas Posts: 4,756	I still agree and I like it as well. __________________ Standings Schedule Free Agent Pool/Waiver Ranks Top 20 Ranks Roster Links UTBA II Almanac Traded Draft Picks Draft Entry Ratings Draft Order Draft Pool

05-19-2008, 11:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
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05-20-2008, 02:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
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05-20-2008, 02:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
Claybor All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,194	I very much like this scoring system.

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Tommysixfingers All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 1,019	My opinion is that a win is a win, knockout or not. I think that a UD and a KO should be equal in points. I’m not sure what the point of rasing a UD win is when you raise a KO win as well. Maybe I misunderstood (a very plausible scenario) __________________ UTBA Season 2 Stockholm's Finest 1-1 Week 2 MVP: Barry McGuigan 1-0-1 (1)

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