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Old 08-08-2008, 08:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Historical Boxing Replay

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INTRO
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Welcome to the recap of my historical boxing replay. Essentially I'm taking the better fighters in boxing history and replaying their careers - or most of them, anyway - just as they occurred in real life.

To populate my universe I went to boxrec.com and generated a list of the top 500 boxers from each of the main weight classes, plus about 200 or so from the in-betweener weight classes - i.e. those that begin with a prefix of 'super' or 'junior'. To these I added a preliminary list of the current top 20 fighters in each division, though more will be added in the distant future to address the changing landscape. These fighters are known as 'campaigners' in my universe.

The only weight classes I plan on using are the major ones - HW, CW, LHW, MW, WW, LW, FW, and BW. Boxers who made their historic mark in other divisions will instead debut in one of the above (e.g. flyweights will compete in the bantamweight division).

Fighters will play through their historic schedule, with a couple of exceptions:

a) they will only compete against fighters who are in my TB database (a db, I might add, that I have strived to make as complete as possible using available community resources). If a bout is scheduled against a non-db fighter, it's ignored and the schedule moves forward.

b) if a title bout arises on a campaigner's schedule, then a title fight in that division occurs in my universe. However, this title bout will occur between the belt holder and a leading divisional contender. If the campaigner in question is neither of these, and neither is his historical opponent, then two bouts occur - the historically-scheduled one (though it is now a non-title bout) and a divisional championship fight of my choosing.

Needless to say, campaigners will debut as they did in real life against the first db fighter that appears on their schedule, and retire when they have fought the last db fighter that appears on their schedule.

Well, that's about it for my intro. If you have any questions/comments, just let me know!
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Old 08-08-2008, 08:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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So it begins ...

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1879 - 1883
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I have to start out by warning everyone, the going will be a bit slow at first. Over time, however, the universe does become fleshed out and therefore more interesting.

The first campaigner to make his debut is John L Sullivan. Sullivan is a HW from Roxbury,MA popularly known as the 'Boston Strong Boy'. Historically he compiled a record of 38-1-1 and won the world heavyweight championship in 1888. He is a member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

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Old 08-08-2008, 09:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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SULLIVAN VICTORIOUS IN DEBUT
Mar 13, 1879 - Boston Arena
John L Sullivan begins his journey through history with an impressive 1st-round TKO win over Jack Curley, who naturally comes in with no record himself. The Boston Strong Boy dropped Curley with a short, clean cross just 0:37 into the bout, and by the mark 1:53 mark of the 1st Lou Moret mercifully brought the proceedings to a close.
Sullivan is now 1-0-0 [1]
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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SULLIVAN PLEASES THE HOME FANS
Jun 28, 1880 - Boston Arena
The Boston Strong Boy created some excitement in his home town tonight, with George Rooke playing an integral part. Rooke was dropped twice in the 6th stanza - once from a violent hook to the head and the second a cracking shot to the ribs - before finally succumbing in the 8th from a hook to the chin. The last KD came at the 2:10 mark - just forty seconds after Sullivan's right eye was cut by a glancing blow.
Sullivan is now 2-0-0 [2]
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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THE PROFESSOR LEARNS A LESSON
Dec 24, 1880 - Cincinnati Gardens
It's not small-minded to wonder why Sullivan would schedule a bout far from home on such a festive night, but why question the Boston phenomenon when he produces such spectacular results? Professor John Donaldson learned a hard lesson when he was knocked out by a vicious body shot to the ribs at the 2:36 mark of the 2nd round tonight. Donaldson had also been dropped just a minute prior by a fierce barrage of punches from Sullivan that came in at all angles.
Merry Christmas, Prof!
Sullivan is now 3-0-0 [3]
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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SULLIVAN CUTS UP
Mar 31, 1881 - Harry Hill's,New York,NY
The simple fact is that Steve Taylor never stood a chance tonight, but referee John O'Brien decided the matter for him when he stopped his bout against The Boston Strong Boy in the 8th, citing excessive bleeding. Sullivan had busted Taylor's nose open with left-right uppercuts in the 4th, and O'Brien halted the action multiple times during the evening as the blood-flow grew worse. Taylor had been dropped for a 3-count at the 2:44 juncture of the 4th, and was well behind on the scorecards when a TKO was declared in the 8th stanza.
Sullivan is now 4-0-0 [4]
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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BEANTOWN CONSENSUS: SULLIVAN'S OUR MAN!
Aug 13, 1881 - Boston Arena
Bostonians are hopping on the Strong Boy bandwagon as local heavyweight John L Sullivan scored his fifth win on the trot - all by knockout. Tonight's victim at the Arena was Captain James Dalton, who provided a spirited contest but ultimately proved poor at protecting his noggin. Two judges had the bout even going into the 8th when a looping right hand came in from Sullivan and Dalton decided to meet it with his chin. The Captain tried to regain his feet at the count of 5, but ended up a shambolic heap just 0:29 into the round.
Sullivan is now 5-0-0 [5]
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AN UNCONVINCING WIN FOR MCDERMONTT
Apr 20, 1882 - Harry Hill's, New York, NY
It's not that enforcing the rules is bad, but referee Mark Nelson seemed to have a hair-trigger tonight - and the result is that John L Sullivan's record now has its first blemish. All looked to be business as usual in the early going when Sullivan smashed John McDermontt with a hard right hook to the head. Just 1:45 into the bout, McDermontt was down for a 6-count and looked finished. However, Nelson halted the action in the final minute to warn The Strong Boy about low blows; then, no more than 4 seconds after the re-start, Nelson ruled Sullivan out for a 'blatant' foul, and handed the contest to an amazed McDermonnt!
Sullivan is now an unfortunate 5-1-0 [5]
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:42 AM   #9 (permalink)
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It will be interesting to see what kind of shape John L turns up in.

In my uni he was mostly overweight or had been partying.
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It will be interesting to see what kind of shape John L turns up in.

In my uni he was mostly overweight or had been partying.
Ah - well, reports here are that he's down to four packs a day and drinking beer only after he fights, so let's hope for the best!

SULLIVAN A STEP TOO FAR FOR MITCHELL
May 14, 1883 - Harry Hill's, New York, NY
It was like having to play that really bad kid in right field even though you don't want to. Someone had to face SUllivan on short notice tonight, and journeyman Charley Mitchell gave it a game effort - though it was really tough to watch. Fortunately, it didn't last past the first beer. Mitchell bumbled through the first frame, then whiffed with a combination early in the 2nd - and John L Sullivan had his opening. The Bostonian landed a huge uppercut that felled Mitchell for good at the 0:46 mark. Reports are he's STILL asleep...
Sullivan is now 6-1-0 [6]
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SULLIVAN SLAYS SLADE, SECURES STAR
Aug 6, 1883 - Madison Square Garden, New York
Every year journalists across the country vote for their pick of boxing's up-and-coming star. Following his 1-round demolition of Herbert Slade tonight, announcer Billy Jordan confirmed that John L Sullivan is a virtual lock for the 1883 award. "He's a commanding presence in the ring," said Jordan after the bout. "He's given the most impressive displays of anyone in the country. Even his loss was more of a black mark for incompetent refereeing than it was for him." Jordan's accolades followed a Sullivan's 1st-round KO victory, his right cross catching Slade flush and dropping him for good just 1:56 into the bout.
Sullivan is now 7-1-0 [7]
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A New Era Dawns

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1884
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Had enough of reading only about Sullivan's exploits? Well, good news - with the dawn of 1884 two new campaigners enter the picture:

Bob 'Ruby' Fitzsimmons, hailing from Cornwall, England, fought as a MW, LHW and HW during his career. He was the first boxer ever to win titles in all three divisions. Boxrec.com has him ranked as the #61 LHW of all time.

Peter 'The Black Prince' Jackson is an Australian regarded as an all-time great. He never got a crack at the HW crown due to his race, but we here at Boxing Replay are a kinder, gentler sort, and will give him a proper chance at earning top honors. Can he do it?

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McCARDLE CURDLED IN FITZSIMMONS' DEBUT
Jan 1, 1884 - Foleys Hall, Sydney, AUS
Fighting in front of a friendly home crowd against a novice Englishman named Bob Fitzsimmons was not without its dark side for Tom McArdle. Ruby Robert set upon McArdle from the outset and was rewarded with an early knockdown off a whipping left cross 2:43 into the 3rd frame. McArdle rose and grimly battled on, but it all came apart in the 7th when he was toppled three more times. The finale was a huge ribcage shot from Fitzsimmons at the 2:20 mark that sank McArdle to his knees for good - and earned a standing ovation from an appreciative Aussie crowd of 1,012. "That kind of reception wouldn't have happened in London," said Fitzsimmons in a post-bout interview. "I feel at home here in Australia. I foresee great things for me, here." Time will tell.
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JACKSON PROVES GOOD VALUE FOR MONEY
Jan 28, 1884 - Academy of Music, Sydney, AUS
Apparently a considerable sum of money was bet by two local touts (some say as much as $1,000) on Peter Jackson to win his HW debut tonight against Tom Lees. The Black Prince proved good value, felling Lees for an 8-count just 0:24 into the contest on his way to romping to a 1-round KO victory. The end for Lees was preceded by a blinding three-punch combination that belted him into the ropes. On the heels of this barrage came a crunching body shot that planted Lees for good.
Jackson is now 1-0-0 [1]
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JACKSON PROVES LAST TIME NO FLUKE
Jan 31, 1884 - Academy of Music, Sydney, AUS
Tom Lees may be a willing spirit, but he has a lot to learn about lost causes. Vowing to avenge his embarrassing defeat against HW Peter Jackson last Jan 28, Lees put on a much better display - but the end result was just the same. Absent for much of the opening 6 rounds, Jackson's right hook made a startling reappearance in the 7th, flooring Lees 1:22 into the stanza for a 5-count, then felling him again some 56 seconds later. Lees vainly rose to his feet, determined to carry on, but another hook caught him flush, causing referee Derek Milham to step and call a halt to the massacre. Jackson reportedly earned $700 for his efforts tonight.
Jackson is now 2-0-0 [2]
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JACKSON - LEES: PLAY IT AGAIN, SAM
Feb 2, 1884 - Academy of Music, Sydney, AUS
HW Tom Lees nearly got it right this time, but ultimately Peter Jackson ensured it was just another repeat. In about as savage a contest as has ever been witnessed in Sydney, The Black Prince dominated the first 5 rounds against a frustrated Lees, until the latter stunned Jackson with a brutal hook to the head in the sixth. Jackson arose at the count of four before a roaring crowd, but it wasn't until the 8th that he was able to reassert business as usual. Lees never hit the canvas, but typically came out on the short end of multiple vicious exchanges in eight of the scheduled ten rounds. Hence the comfortably-unanimous decision for Peter Jackson came as a surprise to none, drawing only a few boos from the assemblage of 1,023 who wanted to see The Black Prince get his come-uppance.
Jackson is now 3-0-0 [2]

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I love the concept, and I will follow this to see how it plays out.

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JACKSON DELIVERS WITH TITLE IMPLICATIONS ON LINE
Jun 25, 1884 - Academy of Music, Sydney, AUS
Peter Jackson surely made a point tonight in dismantling Mick Dooley before a gaggle of WBA scouts seeking a HW title contender. There is no further need for the WBA to scour the world, according to The Black Prince, because he proclaims himself a man to lick all others. Mick Dooley must surely agree. This case was settled 1:19 into the 3rd frame, when a left hook-right cross combination toppled Dooley for 7. He staggered to his feet, only to be victimized by a repeat Jackson cross one minute later. The Prince was interrupted in his showboating for the WBA officials when Dooley had the ill-grace to rise again - but not to worry. No sooner had referee John Wright resumed the bout when an annoyed Jackson finished Dooley for good with a wicked right cross to the temple. A champ in the making? Time will tell ...
Jackson is now 4-0-0 [3]
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SULLIVAN SPURNS TITLE SHOT
Jun 30, 1884 - Boston, MA
At present, the star of the HW scene is unquestionably John L Sullivan, the hugely gifted and splendidly effective strongman from Beantown. The Boston Strong Boy, as his adoring fans call him, would sport an unblemished record had one bout not been spirited away from him by a contentious Mark Nelson back in April of '82 at Harry Hill's. So far as the WBA is concerned, that curious result counts for nothing.

The WBA quietly, though legally and above board, offered Sullivan a guarantee of $5,000 if he would face up-and-coming Australian HW Peter Jackson in a contest for the world title. Nothing doing, according to Sullivan.

"It's the fifth or sixth time someone's thrown a bag of money at me in hopes that I will fight some black man or another. The answer is no and will always be no. I'm starting to lose patience."

Reaction from the Australian camp was swift. "This showcases the level of ignorance present in John L Sullivan," said Jackson's trainer Parson Davies. "It also showcases his level of cowardice. Hey - I don't blame him for hiding in Boston. Woe to him if he ever steps in the ring with Peter. He'd be known as The Boston Limp Boy from that time forward."
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THE BLACK PRINCE DECLARES FOR THE CROWN
Jul 2, 1884 - Sydney, AUS
The WBA's second choice for its HW title match has agreed to terms. Peter Jackson will reportedly be guaranteed $1,500 and a shot at the title against an undetermined opponent later this month. Given time constraints, the unknown foe would surely have to be Australian. Naturally, all hope that man isn't Mick Dooley.
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