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Old 03-06-2009, 12:40 AM   #221 (permalink)
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It'll be great to see George's name added to this intriguing puzzle of contenders.
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FORMER CHAMPS WEIGH IN ON COOPER-PATTERSON
With all the excitement surrounding next months heavyweight title bout between champion Floyd Patterson and British challenger Henry Cooper, predictions of the outcome have flooded the media in recent weeks. Experts and self-proclaimed experts have consluted their crystal balls in the process.

Here at Ringside Review, we've assembled six former heavyweight champs to give us their views. Who would know better what it takes to win the title than those who have worn the heavyweight crown?

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Jack Dempsy

I think Patterson's been overrated. He's really avoided the top talent in the division and has had some pretty easy fights since he became champ. It's common knowledge that he's got a glass jaw. Cooper has a powerful hook and should knock Patterson out by the sixth round.
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I think the the match will ultimately be decided by each man's weaknesses rather than his strengths. Patterson's jaw is suspect and Cooper has a tendency to cut easily. All that considered, I look for Patterson to win by a TKO no later than the tenth round.
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Primo Carnera

I suppose that by instinct I favor the European fighter. But Patteson is very fast, I don't think that Cooper will be able to keep up with him over the long run. If Floyd can avoid Henry's hooks, he should retain his title with a twelve round knockout or TKO.
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I have to go with the harder hitter here-Cooper. Sure Patterson might have the fastest hands in the history of the division, but can he take Cooper's power? I think the fight will end no later than the fourth round with Patterson flat on his back.
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I don't think that Cooper has the skills to match Patterson. Floyd's a very talented boxer and he can punch. Cooper is sort of one dimensional. He's got a powerful left hook, but that's all he has! Patterson should put him away by the tenth round.
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Cooper is your typical European fighter. He stands straight up and gives little upper body movement. He's tailor-made for Patterson. With so much being written about Cooper's left hook, people are overlooking that Floyd has a pretty good hook of his own. Patterson's fast hands will tear Cooper up by the seventh round, and Floyd will win with a TKO.
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What are your predictions????

I should be doing the Cooper-Patterson bout within the next few days and posting the results shortly thereafter.

If you've been following this uni, I'd really appreciate it if you'd take a moment or two to give me your views of how this match will play out.

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Old 03-07-2009, 10:14 AM   #230 (permalink)
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I also believe that the hand speed of Patterson will be to much for Cooper to overcome, and his tendancy to bleed is not in his favour, if anything I give Henry a punchers chance, but in saying that I will go with Patterson by TKO in 9.

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Cooper will be behind on the cards, but will KO Patterson with a huge left hook. Patterson has a glass jaw.
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Patterson is faster, more skilled, and hits every bit as hard as Cooper. Plus, for all that is being made about Patterson's glass chin it seems like people are forgetting that Cooper has his own chin issues to go along with the bleeding. Patterson will take control with his superior boxing skills, use his defense to avoid enough of Cooper's return shots, finally breaking him down and stopping him by 9th round KO.
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Patterson and i'll even say an easy win
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Cooper allways manages to surprise me, and I think he may do the same to Floyd.
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Go Floyd!

Great to see so much excitement and support for this fight.
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Go Floyd!

Great to see so much excitement and support for this fight.
Good to see you on the side of the righteous in this KC. I knew that this fight would be a big draw. I'm also looking forward to Folley/Rocky which should be good times as well.
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Forgive me Prof, this is a once only attempted hijack on this thread.
I had a few ideas swirling about and thought it might be fun to include them for this fight and put a totally biased slant on the fight from this side of the Atlantic.
There’s also a few in-jokes that might not travel well.
So let’s first introduce a very distant cousin of Skip Bailey. The undisputed king of London’s East End. The boxing columnist “Flash” Harry Rattle.

RATTLE ROUND THE RING
Harry Rattle Reporting on the British Boxing Scene
September 1957

This weekend at Wembley a reigning world heavyweight champion will defend his title on British soil for the first time since a Canadian called Tommy Burns knocked out the overmatched Jack Palmer nearly forty years at the old Wonderland Theatre in Whitechapel. That venue was destroyed by fire a few years later and British heavyweights have taken the same route since. Certainly Tommy Farr and Bruce Woodcock made gallant efforts on the belt and, given a referee with a better knowledge of the rules, Don Cockell may have won the title by disqualification over Marciano a few years ago, but there is some truth in the American viewpoint that the natural fighting stance of the British heavyweight is horizontal.

Henry Cooper could well be different from what has gone before. Some might say that turning pro as young as he was may have been a mistake. An extra few years of schooling in the amateur ranks and another Olympic campaign might have been a better way forward for Cooper but the young Cockney has dealt with everything put before him at domestic level. A sharp boxing brain and a lethal left hook is a good combination to be blessed with.

So what about the champ? I have to say to he’s the most mobile heavyweight I’ve ever seen. You can say he fights like a middleweight but that’s being generous to most middleweights. Some people have doubts about his chin but since he’s never been knocked out, how would they know?

One thing is certain, whoever you think is going to leave the ring as champion of the world, Cooper provides the best chance of bringing the belt back to Blighty since Victoria was a girl.

Keep rolling with the punches,
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As the media frenzy descends on the UK a quick round of this week’s headlines focussing on the big fight

The Daily Express (London)
“Record gate expected for title fight”

The Times (London)
“Pugilists prepare for festival of fistiana”

Daily Sketch (London)
“‘Ammer ‘im ‘Enery”

The Guardian (Manchester)
“Copper – Patterson to bottle for woad title”

Le Monde (Paris)
We don’t care – We hate them both”
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Press Announcement

The British Broadcasting Corporation is please to announce that details of our coverage of the World professional heavyweight boxing title fight between the reigning champion, Mr. Floyd Patterson of the United States of America and the former champion of the British Empire and Commonwealth, Mr Henry Cooper of England, have been finalized. The fight will be broadcast as it happens on the BBC Home Service from Wembley Stadium this weekend. The commentator will be the distinguished broadcaster Raymond Glendenning and the former referee and boxing official W. Barrington Dalby will be on hand to provide inter-round summaries on the contest.

By permission of Messrs. Glendenning and Dalby the BBC will now reprint selected comments from the commentary team.
The views expressed do not necessarily match those of the BBC itself
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Break the tape and not look back
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An honest heart and an open mind"

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Raymond Glendenning

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I am very pleased to be able to broadcast this exciting contest to the nation and hope that the listenership may exceed the all-time record for a wireless broadcast set by the Bruce Woodcock-Lee Savold World Heavyweight Title fight set nearly a decade ago. My opinion of the fight is that the outcome largely rests with Cooper. If the Briton makes a fast start his power may surprise the champion and Patterson may be shocked out of the fight before he can take charge. If Floyd can settle into a rhythm however, it may be a long and fruitless battle for the Englishman.
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In my opinion I fear we may have to wait to crown a British heavyweight as champion of the world for a little while longer. Whilst Cooper is undoubtedly a fine fighter, perhaps the best these islands have seen since the heyday of Tommy Farr, it is wise to say that he is currently the “best of the second rank” of fighters rather than one of the true elite of heavyweights. Certainly he has a chance and remember that six years ago few would have predicted that a certain fighter from Leamington Spa would have defeated the world’s finest middleweight. All things considered I believe Patterson will force a stoppage in the later rounds
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Break the tape and not look back
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An honest heart and an open mind"
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