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Professional Olympics

Boxing did not start in the summer Olympics until the 1904 games. Thought I'd go ahead and start them out in the first summer Olympiad (1896) using pro boxers from the game. I'll fill out any weight class with Amateur (RFG created) fighters to avoid the use of byes in the tournament brackets.

I stole this universe idea from JeffR who did an olympic replay using pro boxers from the game back in 2004. 9 years have past so I hope he will not care.

My goal for this universe is to complete all the olympic years starting in 1896 thru 2012. Good luck to me. I'll even replay the war years when no summer olympics were held. Also of note, the Soviet Union team did not participate in the olympics until 1952 but I'll include them at the beginning of this universe.
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1896: First Professional Olympics

Boxers qualify for the Olympics through performances at regional tournaments in Europe, Asia, the Americas, Africa and Oceania. The number of boxers accepted from any region depends upon the strength of boxing in that region and varies between weight divisions. The boxers are paired off at random for the Olympic Games, without regard to ranking. They fight in a single-elimination tournament, with the winner advancing to the next round and the loser dropping out of the competition. Winning boxers progress through the preliminary rounds to the quarterfinals and semifinals. The two semifinals winners fight for the gold and silver medals, while both losing semifinalists receive bronze medals.

note: Asia region is void of boxers in the early years so you will see a lot of amateur fighters from this region in the early Olympiads.
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Rules for Olympic Boxing

-Bouts are three 3-minute rounds.

-Bouts decided by punches landed instead of judges' decision. For a punch to count, it must be scored by three of the five judges at ringside. (Note: to simulate this system, I'll calculate each fighter's score by adding the average number of punches per round to the total number of points awarded by the judges using a 1-point scoring system, to add a bit of bias towards the 'winner'. The resulting numbers should be similar to the actual totals in an amateur boxing bout. e.g., Lennox Lewis lands 17.5 punches per round and the judges score the fight 4-0, 3-1, and 2-1 in his favor, so he gets 17+4+3+2 = 26 'scored' punches.)

-Three fouls in a fight disqualifies fighter.

-Three knockdowns in a round or four in a fight stops the fight.

-Referee set to strict/easy stoppages.

-Tournament placing in the brackets, drawn randomly.

-Normal Olympic boxing age limit of 17 to 34 is lifted.
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Weight Classes

Heavyweight (91 kg/200 pounds)
Light Heavyweight (81 kg/178 pounds)
Middleweight (75 kg/168 pounds)
Welterweight (69 kg/151 pounds)
Lightweight (60 kg/132 pounds)
Featherweight (57 kg/125 pounds)
Bantamweight (54 kg/118 pounds)
Flyweight (51 kg/112 pounds)
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Team Previews, Americas Region

Argentina (1): Carlos Medina*

Medal possibilities: none

Bahamas (1): Louis Blount*

Medal possibilities: none

Barbados (1): Joe Walcott

Medal possibilities: Walcott

Brazil (1): Aquiles Asso*

Medal possibilities: none

Canada (8): George Dixon, John J Dwyer, Harry Gilmore, George Godfrey, Halifax Young Johnson, George LaBlanche,
Barney McCall, Mysterious Billy Smith.

Medal possibilites: Godfrey, LaBlanche, Smith.

Cuba (2): Eugene Garcia, Joaquin Rodriguez*

Medal possibilites: none

Ecuador (1): Antonio Arce*

Medal possibilities: none

Guyana (1): Ephram Nyaga*

Medal possibilities: none

Mexico (2): Gustavo Fuentes*, Norberto Rodriguez*

Medal possibilities: none

Nicaragua (1): Roberto Otero*

Medal possibilites: none

Panama (2): Julio Gamboa*, Fernando Gonzalez*

Medal Possibilities: none

Puerto Rico (3): Ismael Garcia*, Lorenzo Melendez*, Jose Morales*

Medal possibilities: Melendez

St. Kitts & Nevis (1): Massa Kendrick

Medal possibilities: none

USA (8): Jimmy Barry, Young Corbett II, Joe Gans, Jimmy Gorman, James Jeffries,
Charles McCoy, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Tommy Ryan.

Medal possibilities: Barry, Corbett II, Gans, Jeffries, McCoy, O'Brien, Ryan.


(* - denotes amateur fighter)

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Team Previews, Africa Region

Kenya (1): Teshome Jibade*

medal possibilities: none

Nigeria (1): Hicham Nyatui*

medal possibilities: none

South Africa (8): Young Berry, James Couper, Joe Coverwell, Tom Essler, Jim Holloway, Belfast Billy Kelly, Jack Lalor, Barney Malone

medal possibilities: Lalor, Holloway

Tanzania (1): Bultossa Wandaba*

medal possibilities: none

Tunisia (1): Abdul-Muttalib Sadaqat*

medal possibilities: none


(* - denotes amateur fighter)
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Team Previews, Asia Region

All amateurs fill this region.

Since the Asian region is void of boxers in the TBCB db during the early years, I'll be using RFG fighters to fill out this region. When the Soviets started participating in the Olympics in 1952 and were a dominant team right from the get go, I'll give them a chance to repeat the dominance starting in 1896.

China (1): Hang-ki Bing*

medal possibilities: none

Indonesia (1): Slamet Prawiranega*

medal possibilities: none

Japan (2): Shotaro Kikuchi*, Yasuyuki Matsumoto*

medal possibilities: Kikuchi

Mongolia (1): Mark Davidson*

medal possibilities: none

Philippines (4): Indergabriell Cabilete*, Bonie Canlas*, Amberlan Ipanag*, Jelexiz Ladia

medal possibilities: none

Qatar (1): Majd Bassam*

medal possibilities: none

South Korea (2): Jong-gook Chu*, Seung-chun Yo*

medal possibilities: none

Soviet Union (8): Vladmiri Atajahov*, Maxim Azolsky*, Mark Erasov*, Ilia Omelichev*, Nestor Pahomov*, Andrya Pinchover*,
Yuri Sartykov*, Faddei Zhirmunsky*

medal possibilities: Erasov, Omelichev, Sartykov, Azolsky, Zhirmunsky

Thailand (1): Danh-Canh*

medal possibilities: none

Turkey (1): Nur Ciller*

medal possibilities: none


(* - denotes amateur fighter)

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Team Previews, Oceania Region

Australia (8): Jimmy Anthony, Bill Doherty, Young Griffo, Peter Jackson, Aussie Jack McAuliffe,
Bill Mullins, Steve O'Donnell, Tom Tracey

medal possibilities: Jackson, O'Donnell, Doherty, Griffo, Anthony

Cook Islands (1): Nathan Hooks*

medal possibilities: none

Fiji (1): Johnny The Stranger

medal possibilities: none

New Zealand (8): Andy Dawson, Dan Creedon, Barney Donovan, Dick Ellis, Sammy Heckles,
Harry Laing, Torpedo Billy Smith, Dick Sandall

medal possibilities: Creedon


(* - denotes amateur fighter)
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I like this idea!!
Thanks Jeff. Can't wait to get the set-up done and start on the tournaments.
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Team Previews, Europe Region

Belgium (2): Tore Roodenburg*, Izak Wiersma*

medal possibilities: none

Denmark (3): Peter Laurits Jacobsen, Johannes Joergensen, Battling Nelson

medal possibilities: Nelson

England (8): Stanton Abbott, Bob Fitzsimmons, Herbert Hall, Ben Jordan, Jem Mace,
Billy Plimmer, Bob Smith, Nunc Wallace

medal possibilities: Fitzsimmons, Abbott, Jordan, Plimmer, Wallace

France (4): Valentin Brossard*, Romain Mangin*, Michel Pottier*, Vincent Sicard*

medal possibilities: Sicard*

Germany (4): Gerrit Blau*, Garin Bregar*, Nicholas Scherer*, Clemens Schroeder*

medal possibilities: none

Greece (1): Lykaios Adamidis*

medal possibilities: none

Ireland (8): Jack Dempsey NP, Jimmy Dime, Billy Gardner, Dick Hollywood, Billy Kid Irwin,
Jack McAuliffe, Tom Sharkey, Yankee Sullivan

medal possibilities: Dempsey NP, Gardner, Hollywood, McAuliffe, Sharkey,

Italy (1): Casper Leon

medal possibilities: Leon

Netherlands (1): Jarred Thompson*

medal possibilities: none

Northern Ireland (2): Ike Weir, Billy Whistler

medal possibilities: Weir, Whistler

Scotland (2): John Knifton, Lachie Jack Thompson

medal possibilities: none

Sweden (1): Maurice Hagerstrom

medal possibilities: none

Switzerland (2): Hansel Ackerman*, Frank Erne

medal possibilities: Erne

Wales (4): George Fletcher, Morgan Crowthier, Tom Thomas, Tommy West

medal possibilities: West


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April 7 - Flyweight Draw and Preliminaries, Round I

Schedule:

1 José Morales* (Puerto Rico) vs Indergabriell Cabilete* (Philippines)
2 Jimmy Gorman (USA) vs Nur Ciller* (Turkey)
3 Billy Kid Irwin (Ireland) vs Sammy Heckles (New Zealand)
4 Halifax Young Johnson (Canada) vs Hang-ki Bing* (China)
5 Majd Bassam* (Qatar) vs Mark Davidson* (Mongolia)
6 Jimmy Anthony (Australia) vs Shotaro Kikuchi* (Japan)
7 Nunc Wallace (England) vs Jarred Thompson* (Netherlands)
8 Young Berry (South Africa) vs Maxim Azolsky*(Soviet Union )

Results:

Morales* (Puerto Rico) vs Cabilete* (Philippines)
In the first fight of the 1896 Olympic boxing tournament, the Philipino
cruises to an easy victory
RESULT: CABILETE* 27, MORALES* 14.

Gorman (USA) vs Ciller* (Turkey)
The US pro has no problem sending the amateur packing.
RESULT: GORMAN 31, CILLER* 18

Irwin (Ireland) vs Heckles (New Zealand)
No punch stats needed in this one.
RESULT: IRWIN KO 3

Johnson (Canada) vs Bing* (China)
Bing becomes the first amateur to defeat a pro and does it in convincing fashion.
RESULT: BING* 41, JOHNSON 4

Bassam* (Qatar) vs Davidson* (Mongolia)
Both amateurs put on a good show. I'd hate to judge this fight.
RESULT: DAVIDSON* 30, BASSAM* 28

Anthony (Australia) vs Kikuchi* (Japan)
Game effort from the amateur but the Anthony's pro ring experience proves too much.
RESULT: ANTHONY 42, KIKUCHI* 14

Wallace (England) vs Thompson* (Netherlands)
Veteran Wallace needed a big 3rd round and got it out-pointing the rookie 12-2 in the
final round for the victory.
RESULT: WALLACE 36, THOMPSON* 29

Berry (South Africa) vs Azolsky*(Soviet Union )
Soviet amateur flexed his jab all three rounds and was never in any danger from the pro.
RESULT: AZOLSKY* 40, BERRY 8
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Great start and I have to say I really love the scoring system!
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April 7 - Bantamweight Draw and Preliminaries, Round I

Schedule:

Barney McCall (Canada) vs Billy Plimmer (England)
Louie Blount* (Bahamas) vs Ike Weir (Northern Ireland)
Casper Leon (Italy) vs Jim Holloway (South Africa)
Peter Laurits Jacobsen (Denmark) vs Bill Mullins (Australia)
Slamet Prawiranega* (Indonesia) vs Andy Dawson (New Zealand)
António Arce* (Ecuador) vs Faddei Zhirmunsky* (Soviet Union)
Jimmy Barry (USA) vs Izak Wiersma* (Belgium)
Jimmy Dime (Ireland) vs Jong-gook Chu* (South Korea)

Results:

McCall (Canada) vs Plimmer (England)
Round one was scored even (12-12). 2 & 3 belonged to Plimmer. McCall forgot the fight was 3 rounds.
RESULT: PLIMMER 42, MCCALL 12

Blount* (Bahamas) vs Weir (Northern Ireland)
Round one saw a nice exchange between the two fighters. Rd 2, Weir was getting the best and Blount started
to hold hit until the ref stepped in and gave his final warning. Rd. 3 saw a passive Blount as he did not want
to get DQ'd and Weir took advantage and scored big.
RESULT: WEIR 37, BLOUNT* 15

Leon (Italy) vs Holloway (South Africa)
Holloway won round one (point wise) but he was penalized for hitting way too low and lost the round
at the ref's discretion. Leon mounted a huge point in the 2nd round. Holloway finished round 3
strong out-pointing Leon but could not close the gap in scoring.
RESULT: LEON 31, HOLLOWAY 24

Jacobsen (Denmark) vs Mullins (Australia)
Mullins had his way in this fight and was never in trouble.
RESULT: MULLINS 43, JACOBSEN 14

Prawiranega* (Indonesia) vs Dawson (New Zealand)
Even fight after 2. Dawson lands a huge right hook 10 seconds into the 3rd and staggers the rookie.
Dawson scored at will after the hook and all Prawiranega could do was defend himself with no chance
of mounting any offense.
RESULT: DAWSON 28, PRAWIRANEGA* 17

Arce* (Ecuador) vs Zhirmunsky* (Soviet Union)
Arce takes care of buisiness over the heavily favored Russian. Arce didn't put alot on his punches
but what he threw scored.
RESULT: ARCE* 36, ZHIRMUNSKY* 19

Barry (USA) vs Wiersma* (Belgium)
Gold medal favorite Barry showed why he is the man to beat. He toyed with Wiersma for 2 rounds
and dropped him twice in the 3rd.
RESULT: BARRY 47, WIERSMA* 6

Dime (Ireland) vs Chu* (South Korea)
Medal hopeful Dime had no problem with the amateur winning all 3 rounds. Dime faces gold medal
favorite in the quarterfinals next. He'll have to win that one to stay in the hunt for a medal.
RESULT: DIME 45, CHU* 18
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April 7 - Featherweight Draw and Preliminaries, Round I

Schedule:

Young Corbett II (USA) vs Gustavo Fuentes* (Mexico)
Johannes Joergensen (Denmark) vs Morgan Crowthier (Wales)
Vladmiri Atajahov* (Soviet Union) vs Torpedo Billy Murphy (New Zealand)
Eugene Garcia (Cuba) vs Dick Hollywood (Ireland)
Fernando González* (Panama) vs Young Griffo (Australia)
Romain Mangin* (France) vs Garin Bregar* (Germany)
Tom Essler (South Africa) vs Billy Whistler (Northern Ireland)
Ben Jordan (England) vs George Dixon (Canada)

Results:

Corbett II (USA) vs Fuentes* (Mexico)
Fuentes is thankful that he gets to wear headgear. Corbett is in control throughout
and coasts to an easy win.
RESULT: CORBETT 49, FUENTES* 15

Joergensen (Denmark) vs Crowthier (Wales)
Crowthier has an easy time against his outclassed opponent, and easily wins the decision.
RESULT: CROWTHIER 41, JOERGENSEN 16

Atajahov* (Soviet Union) vs Murphy (New Zealand)
In an entertaining fight, Murphy takes the early advantage and successfully resists Atajahov's attempts to rally.
RESULT: MURPHY 37, ATAJAHOV* 24

Garcia (Cuba) vs Hollywood (Ireland)
IN a one-sided fight, Hollywood grabs an early lead in the first round then plays it safe the rest of the way,
wisely staying outside and maintaining his big lead.
RESULT: HOLLYWOOD 41, GARCIA 6

González* (Panama) vs Griffo (Australia)
Griffo unleashes a torrid attack, leaving the flustered Panamanian on the defensive the whole way.
The fight comes very close to being stopped when the final bell rings.
RESULT: GRIFFO 46, GONZALEZ* 19

Mangin* (France) vs Bregar* (Germany)
It's a very close fight, but the final verdict of a three-punch win for Mangin is a bit of a surprise,
as most ringsiders thought Bregar had the slight edge.
RESULT: MANGIN* 28, BREGAR* 25

Essler (South Africa) vs Whistler (Northern Ireland)
The result is one-sided, as Whistler totally dominates his South African opponent, landing punches
at will and piling up a huge points lead.
RESULT: WHISTLER 38, ESSLER 13

Jordan (England) vs Dixon (Canada)
Dixon fights a cautious fight, not giving Jordan a chance to show much offense, and takes the decision easily.
RESULT: DIXON 26, JORDAN 13
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April 7 - Lightweight Draw and Preliminaries, Round I

Schedule:

Jack McAuliffe (Ireland) vs Danh-Canh Due* (Thailand)
Aussie Jack McAuliffe (Australia) vs Maurice Hagerstrom (Sweden)
Stanton Abbott (England) vs Lachie Jack Thompson (Scotland)
Harry Gilmore (Canada) vs Barney Malone (South Africa)
Joe Gans (USA) vs Bultossa Wandaba* (Tanzania)
Nestor Pahomov* (Soviet Union) vs Frank Erne (Switzerland)
Battling Nelson (Denmark) vs Barney Donovan (New Zealand)
Norberto Rodríguez* (Mexico) vs George Fletcher (Wales)

Results:

Jack McAuliffe (Ireland) vs Danh-Canh Due* (Thailand)
Irelands gold medal hopeful McAuliffe wins the opening-round jackpot by drawing Thailands amateur Danh-Canh Due.
He gets complacent though and pays for it when Thailands top amateur jumps all over him in the first and never looks back.
RESULT: DUE* 32, MCAULIFFE 8

Aussie Jack McAuliffe (Australia) vs Maurice Hagerstrom (Sweden)
With the crowd still buzzing over Irelands McAuliffe's upset, Swedish veteran Hagerstrom out punches
his Aussie opponent by two punches.
RESULT: HAGERSTROM 19, MCAULIFFE 17

Stanton Abbott (England) vs Lachie Jack Thompson (Scotland)
Thompson makes the mistake of spending too much time waiting to land a heavy blow and pays for it
as Abbott piles up points with his jab and takes an easy decision.
RESULT: ABBOTT 23, THOMPSON 5

Harry Gilmore (Canada) vs Barney Malone (South Africa)
In a close fight, Malone lands a hook in the final seconds of the 3rd to keep the decision out of the judges hands.
RESULT: MALONE KO3 GILMORE

Joe Gans (USA) vs Bultossa Wandaba* (Tanzania)
In a surprisingly close fight, Tanzania's young gun almost manages to keep pace with the projected
gold medal winner.
RESULT: GANS 25, WANDABA* 13

Nestor Pahomov* (Soviet Union) vs Frank Erne (Switzerland)
Erne draws an amateur in the first round and makes the fight look easy.
RESULT: ERNE 39, PAHOMOV* 7

Battling Nelson (Denmark) vs Barney Donovan (New Zealand)
Nelson puts on a dominating performance against his opponent and winds up with a healthy margin of victory.
RESULT: NELSON 37, DONOVAN 11

Norberto Rodríguez* (Mexico) vs George Fletcher (Wales)
The amateur from Mexico looks a little sharper and wins by eight punches.
RESULT: RODRIGUEZ* 20, FLETCHER 12

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The 'amateurs' creating some havoc in the LW division. That McAuliffe fight is a huge upset.
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Interesting concept, will be following along...
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The 'amateurs' creating some havoc in the LW division. That McAuliffe fight is a huge upset.
More of an upset than you know. Danh-Canh Due's rating is a 5.

I figured the amateurs would have an outside shot in these short distance fights even though their ratings are low .
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