Louisville Boxing Association - Page 41

Romdawg88 · 10-25-2005, 06:44 PM

Ha true enough you do got plenty of time it was just that I got suddenly curious about how you'll handle stuff like that and the Ali exile. Well hopefully you can keep the LBA up and running and we'll get the chance to find out.

mh2365 · 10-26-2005, 05:54 AM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

June 28, 1909

Aurelio Herrera (19/13) (15-8) won on a 3rd round disqualification over Patsy Sweeney (4/6) (11-10-2).

Referee Joe Cortez warned Sweeney about head butting in the second round and then stopped the fight in the 3rd as Sweeney was caught swinging with his head.

The fight was uneventful to that point.

On the undercard

FW - Young Corbett (8/7) (17-14-4) KO7 Frank Zimpher (UR) (9-4)
LW - Tim Kearns (25/24) (8-7-2) UD10 Sam Bolen (2/7) (10-10-1)
LH - Patsy Cardiff (10/10) (12-11) KO5 Ralph Calloway (UR) (6-7-1)
BW - Jimmy Barry (UR) (8-0) UD8 Dave Ross (UR) (5-4-1) (both fighters at pp for this club fight)
WW - Matty Matthews (club) (14-19-2) UD10 Mike Sullivan (club) (12-17-4) (club fight)

mh2365 · 10-26-2005, 06:27 AM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

June 30, 1909

George Dixon (c/c) (27-7-1) retained his LBC Bantamweight title with a 15 round Draw against Johnny Coulon (1/1) (20-3-1). These two fighters are now 1-1-1 against each other.

The fight was a close fairly boring fight the entire way. No round was lopsided one way or the other. Dixon suffered a minor cut in the second round over his left eye. It was reopened 3 times, with the doctor looking at it once in the 12th.

Coulon was never cut and neither fighter was down.

I had the fight 145-143 for Dixon. Mirco Mizera, ringside expert, had it 143-143. The official judges scored it 142-144/144-143/143-143.

On the undercard

MW - Bob Moha (9/10) (10-3-3) DRAW10 Joe Thomas (14/20) (11-3-3)
FW - Billy Snailham (UR) (12-2) KO5 Tim Hegarty (UR) (9-5)
LH - Billy McColl (19/18) (8-10) UD10 Dan Flynn (6/8) (11-4-2)
FW - Sammy Kelly (15/15) (9-7-1) UD10 Jimmy Dime (UR) (8-4)
HW - Joe Lannon (club) (15-20) MD10 John Haines (club) (13-19-2)

mh2365 · 10-26-2005, 11:51 AM

Rough month for the champions as they went 1-2-2. Three champs retained their title but only Jack Johnson did so convincingly. Billy Baker lost his as did Billy Papke. Although the controversy surrounding the Papke fight caused the commissioner (me) to declare the title vacant and order an immediate rematch between Papke and McCoy.

Several fighters made their debuts in the rankings this month and several fighters moved up to main.

Movement

HW - Bill Farnam (15-15-1) club to main

LH - Henri Placke (5-6-2), Rough Thompson (8-4) club to main

MW - Ed Denfass (8-4), Bill Fleming (8-0) club to main

WW - Jack McGinty (8-0-2) club to main

LW - Billy Willis (8-2), George Washington (6-4-3), George Siddons (8-3), Johnny Clark (8-3-2) club to main

FW - Billy Ross (6-7), Percy Cove (8-2-1), Jack Pearson (5-7-1) club to main

BW - Jimmy Barry (8-0) club to main

Debut rankings (#of fighters ranked HW-61/LH-20/MW-30/WW-19/LW-29/FW-20/BW-19/FLY-2)

HW - Stockings Conroy (7-5-3) (A58/C59/F59)
HW- George Perry (7-4-4) (A48/C50/F48)
WW - William Sullivan (9-4-2) (A18/C18)
LW - Eddie Hanlon (11-3-1) (A2/C2)
LW - Jack Daly (8-6-1) (A27/C27)
FW - Jerry Marshall (8-6-1) (A10/C10)
BW - Johnny Murphy (13-1-1) (A3/C2)
BW - Hugh McGovern (7-4-4) (A11/C11)

June's fights attached

javier_83 · 10-27-2005, 06:32 PM

Why are you going to see only the LBA rankings?

mh2365 · 10-27-2005, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javier_83

Why are you going to see only the LBA rankings?

Not sure I understand the question, but if you are asking why those are the rankings I am using for movement on the fight cards well then it's because I don't see much variation in TBCB2 unfortunately and that is the main one in my universe.

The LBA was the first title fought for in every division, then the LBC and then the LBF.

Romdawg88 · 10-27-2005, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mh2365

Not sure I understand the question, but if you are asking why those are the rankings I am using for movement on the fight cards well then it's because I don't see much variation in TBCB2 unfortunately and that is the main one in my universe.

The LBA was the first title fought for in every division, then the LBC and then the LBF.

Your right about that, thats the one thing thats borthered me about TBCB2 is that the title rankings are almost always the same unlike the first one where you go get some pretty different rankings.

mh2365 · 10-28-2005, 09:04 AM

Good month for the beginners as the numbers continue to decrease. They went 56-8-2 against the TC's this month with just a few fighters moving up to club.

Moving

WW - Battling Hurley (5-0-1), Ted Lewis (5-0), George Milton (5-3), Paddy Sullivan (5-0-2)
LW - Mark Higgans (3-3-2)
BW - Jimmy Anthony (4-4)

CONN CHRIS · 10-28-2005, 10:23 AM

What is McAllister up to? I have seen much on the old boy lately.

Romdawg88 · 10-28-2005, 12:50 PM

He's at 8-0 but he was on mh2365's prospect list so he'll probably lose his next fight as the Javier cruse stirkes again.

mh2365 · 10-28-2005, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

He's at 8-0 but he was on mh2365's prospect list so he'll probably lose his next fight as the Javier cruse stirkes again.

LOL actually he is trying to wait out the Javier curse ... July didn't call his number either so this will be his 3rd inactive month. Worse case is he will fight in September automatically, but he'll have a 70% chance to fight in August.

javier_83 · 10-28-2005, 06:31 PM

i am a curse i just need to bet my house again to see a fighter lose :P

Romdawg88 · 10-28-2005, 08:36 PM

Ha yes there is no espacing the Javier Cruse.

mh2365 · 10-29-2005, 09:43 AM

Not much here this month. Three champs in action but only two in title fights. The title fights are not hard ones either.

LHW - (LBA) Bob Fitzsimmons (31-4) vs #7 George Byers (12-5-1) First fight

LW - (LBA/C) Jack McAuliffe (29-5-2) vs #5 Harry Gilmore (23-13-1) Third fight between the two, both have won a UD10

FW - (NT) Jem Driscoll (32-5) vs #14BW Watty Austin (11-11-2)

mh2365 · 11-01-2005, 11:33 PM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

*** note ** going back to using post prime and end for reasons not explainable right now. Because of the high drop off though, starting next month pre/post/end will all have a 50% chance of facing a TC everytime they are scheduled to fight which should help keep their records in check. As always in the LBA this rule will stay in effect until I feel like changing it

July 2, 1909

HW - Charley Mitchell (15/11) (27-9) UD10 Jem Mace (1/10) (16-10-2)
WW - Kid Graves (13/4) (14-2-2) MD10 Willie Lewis (14/17) (13-16-1) (lewis at post)
LW - Willie Ritchie (UR) (10-1-2) UD10 Paddy Sullivan (UR/24) (8-7) (both fighters at pre)
FW - Billy Snailham (UR/1) (13-2) UD10 Harry Paul (UR) (8-6) (both at pre)
HW - Steve O' Donnell (UR) (7-0-1) MD8 Jack Stelzner (club) (17-21-4) (o'donnell at pre/stelzner at post)
HW - James McCoy (club) (8-19-1) TKO4 John McDermont (club) (10-22-2) (both at end)

mh2365 · 11-02-2005, 12:11 AM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

*** note ** going back to using post prime and end for reasons not explainable right now. Because of the high drop off though, starting next month pre/post/end will all have a 50% chance of facing a TC everytime they are scheduled to fight which should help keep their records in check. As always in the LBA this rule will stay in effect until I feel like changing it

July 5, 1909

HW - Larry Foley (6/1) (23-7-2) KO7 Bill Squires (40/43) (11-14-1) (squires at post)
WW - Jack McGinty (UR) (9-0-2) UD10 Johnny Summers (UR) (8-3) (both fighters at pre/ summers stepped up to WW in this weight-adjusted fight)
LW - Leach Cross (22/22) (9-7-1) UD10 George Monroe (UR/club) (5-10) (both at pre)
BW - Dave Sullivan (UR) (10-2-1) UD10 Morris Rauch (UR) (7-6-1) (both at pre)
MW - Johnny Douglas (UR) (6-0-2) DRAW8 Walter Burgo (UR) (4-5-2) (both at pre in this club fight)
LW - Mike Cushing (club) (10-20-5) SD10 Andy Bowen (club) (13-22-1) (cushing at post/ bowen at end for this club fight)

djday45 · 11-02-2005, 05:15 AM

Take a look at my aging system, im very happy with it and its quite simple to use.

rgds
Dean

mh2365 · 11-02-2005, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djday45

Take a look at my aging system, im very happy with it and its quite simple to use.

rgds
Dean

Yeah I was pretty happy with the one I was using also but I'm trying something else for a little bit. Can't really explain it right now but it will become clear before too long

mh2365 · 11-02-2005, 12:02 PM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

*** note ** going back to using post prime and end for reasons not explainable right now. Because of the high drop off though, starting next month pre/post/end will all have a 50% chance of facing a TC everytime they are scheduled to fight which should help keep their records in check. As always in the LBA this rule will stay in effect until I feel like changing it

July 7, 1909

MW - Stanley Ketchel (6/5) (23-4) TKO4 Bill Fleming (UR) (8-1) (fleming at pre)
LW - Hughie Megehan (UR) (10-2) TKO8 Sam Bolen (7/16) (10-11-1) (megehan at pre)
HW - Bill Lang (8/6) (16-6) TKO6 Herbert Slade (14/19) (16-16-2)
MW - Frank Klaus (11/11) (14-6-1) UD10 Ked Locke (UR) (9-5) (locke at pre)
BW - Charles Goldman (UR) (12-1-1) UD10 Ike Weir (12/12) (7-10-1) (goldman at pre)
HW - Billy Woods (club) (11-12-2) KO3 Jim Daly (club) (13-18-5) (woods at post/daly at end in this club fight)

mh2365 · 11-02-2005, 11:46 PM

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization.

*** note ** going back to using post prime and end for reasons not explainable right now. Because of the high drop off though, starting next month pre/post/end will all have a 50% chance of facing a TC everytime they are scheduled to fight which should help keep their records in check. As always in the LBA this rule will stay in effect until I feel like changing it

July 10, 1909

LW - Abe Attell (8/4) (32-8-1) UD10 Ad Wolgast (21/25) (10-8)
FW - Jack Downey (13/14) (11-5) UD10 Kid Broad (17/29) (10-8-1)
MW - George Gunther (UR) (9-2) SD10 Denny Kelliher (8/11) (17-17-3) (gunther at pre)
LW - Tim Callahan (UR) (9-3-1) UD10 Mike Leonard (UR/24) (10-2-3) (both at pre)
MW - Al rogers (UR) (7-0-1) UD8 Martin Mulverhill (UR) (5-5-2) (both at pre for this club fight)
FW - Joe Bernstein (club) (11-13-4) DRAW10 Billy Barrett (club) (10-11-5) (both at post for this club fight)

10-26-2005, 05:54 AM	#802 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Herrera gets win on ref's quick trigger I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. June 28, 1909 Aurelio Herrera (19/13) (15-8) won on a 3rd round disqualification over Patsy Sweeney (4/6) (11-10-2). Referee Joe Cortez warned Sweeney about head butting in the second round and then stopped the fight in the 3rd as Sweeney was caught swinging with his head. The fight was uneventful to that point. On the undercard FW - Young Corbett (8/7) (17-14-4) KO7 Frank Zimpher (UR) (9-4) LW - Tim Kearns (25/24) (8-7-2) UD10 Sam Bolen (2/7) (10-10-1) LH - Patsy Cardiff (10/10) (12-11) KO5 Ralph Calloway (UR) (6-7-1) BW - Jimmy Barry (UR) (8-0) UD8 Dave Ross (UR) (5-4-1) (both fighters at pp for this club fight) WW - Matty Matthews (club) (14-19-2) UD10 Mike Sullivan (club) (12-17-4) (club fight)

10-26-2005, 06:27 AM	#803 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	Dixon keeps title on a draw I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. June 30, 1909 George Dixon (c/c) (27-7-1) retained his LBC Bantamweight title with a 15 round Draw against Johnny Coulon (1/1) (20-3-1). These two fighters are now 1-1-1 against each other. The fight was a close fairly boring fight the entire way. No round was lopsided one way or the other. Dixon suffered a minor cut in the second round over his left eye. It was reopened 3 times, with the doctor looking at it once in the 12th. Coulon was never cut and neither fighter was down. I had the fight 145-143 for Dixon. Mirco Mizera, ringside expert, had it 143-143. The official judges scored it 142-144/144-143/143-143. On the undercard MW - Bob Moha (9/10) (10-3-3) DRAW10 Joe Thomas (14/20) (11-3-3) FW - Billy Snailham (UR) (12-2) KO5 Tim Hegarty (UR) (9-5) LH - Billy McColl (19/18) (8-10) UD10 Dan Flynn (6/8) (11-4-2) FW - Sammy Kelly (15/15) (9-7-1) UD10 Jimmy Dime (UR) (8-4) HW - Joe Lannon (club) (15-20) MD10 John Haines (club) (13-19-2)

10-26-2005, 11:51 AM	#804 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	End of June 1909 Rough month for the champions as they went 1-2-2. Three champs retained their title but only Jack Johnson did so convincingly. Billy Baker lost his as did Billy Papke. Although the controversy surrounding the Papke fight caused the commissioner (me) to declare the title vacant and order an immediate rematch between Papke and McCoy. Several fighters made their debuts in the rankings this month and several fighters moved up to main. Movement HW - Bill Farnam (15-15-1) club to main LH - Henri Placke (5-6-2), Rough Thompson (8-4) club to main MW - Ed Denfass (8-4), Bill Fleming (8-0) club to main WW - Jack McGinty (8-0-2) club to main LW - Billy Willis (8-2), George Washington (6-4-3), George Siddons (8-3), Johnny Clark (8-3-2) club to main FW - Billy Ross (6-7), Percy Cove (8-2-1), Jack Pearson (5-7-1) club to main BW - Jimmy Barry (8-0) club to main Debut rankings (#of fighters ranked HW-61/LH-20/MW-30/WW-19/LW-29/FW-20/BW-19/FLY-2) HW - Stockings Conroy (7-5-3) (A58/C59/F59) HW- George Perry (7-4-4) (A48/C50/F48) WW - William Sullivan (9-4-2) (A18/C18) LW - Eddie Hanlon (11-3-1) (A2/C2) LW - Jack Daly (8-6-1) (A27/C27) FW - Jerry Marshall (8-6-1) (A10/C10) BW - Johnny Murphy (13-1-1) (A3/C2) BW - Hugh McGovern (7-4-4) (A11/C11) June's fights attached Last edited by mh2365 : 04-15-2007 at 08:08 PM.

10-28-2005, 09:04 AM	#808 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	July, 1909 beginners Good month for the beginners as the numbers continue to decrease. They went 56-8-2 against the TC's this month with just a few fighters moving up to club. Moving WW - Battling Hurley (5-0-1), Ted Lewis (5-0), George Milton (5-3), Paddy Sullivan (5-0-2) LW - Mark Higgans (3-3-2) BW - Jimmy Anthony (4-4)

10-28-2005, 10:23 AM	#809 (permalink)
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 21,322	What is McAllister up to? I have seen much on the old boy lately. __________________ REC World Prizefighter Rankings

10-25-2005, 06:44 PM	#801 (permalink)
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 3,703	Ha true enough you do got plenty of time it was just that I got suddenly curious about how you'll handle stuff like that and the Ali exile. Well hopefully you can keep the LBA up and running and we'll get the chance to find out.

10-27-2005, 06:32 PM	#805 (permalink)
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,369	Why are you going to see only the LBA rankings?

10-28-2005, 12:50 PM	#810 (permalink)
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 3,703	He's at 8-0 but he was on mh2365's prospect list so he'll probably lose his next fight as the Javier cruse stirkes again.

10-28-2005, 06:31 PM	#812 (permalink)
javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,369	i am a curse i just need to bet my house again to see a fighter lose :P

10-28-2005, 08:36 PM	#813 (permalink)
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 3,703	Ha yes there is no espacing the Javier Cruse.

10-29-2005, 09:43 AM	#814 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	July 1909 title fights Not much here this month. Three champs in action but only two in title fights. The title fights are not hard ones either. LHW - (LBA) Bob Fitzsimmons (31-4) vs #7 George Byers (12-5-1) First fight LW - (LBA/C) Jack McAuliffe (29-5-2) vs #5 Harry Gilmore (23-13-1) Third fight between the two, both have won a UD10 FW - (NT) Jem Driscoll (32-5) vs #14BW Watty Austin (11-11-2)

11-01-2005, 11:33 PM	#815 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. * note going back to using post prime and end for reasons not explainable right now. Because of the high drop off though, starting next month pre/post/end will all have a 50% chance of facing a TC everytime they are scheduled to fight which should help keep their records in check. As always in the LBA this rule will stay in effect until I feel like changing it July 2, 1909 HW - Charley Mitchell (15/11) (27-9) UD10 Jem Mace (1/10) (16-10-2) WW - Kid Graves (13/4) (14-2-2) MD10 Willie Lewis (14/17) (13-16-1) (lewis at post) LW - Willie Ritchie (UR) (10-1-2) UD10 Paddy Sullivan (UR/24) (8-7) (both fighters at pre) FW - Billy Snailham (UR/1) (13-2) UD10 Harry Paul (UR) (8-6) (both at pre) HW - Steve O' Donnell (UR) (7-0-1) MD8 Jack Stelzner (club) (17-21-4) (o'donnell at pre/stelzner at post) HW - James McCoy (club) (8-19-1) TKO4 John McDermont (club) (10-22-2) (both at end)

11-02-2005, 12:11 AM	#816 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. * note going back to using post prime and end for reasons not explainable right now. Because of the high drop off though, starting next month pre/post/end will all have a 50% chance of facing a TC everytime they are scheduled to fight which should help keep their records in check. As always in the LBA this rule will stay in effect until I feel like changing it July 5, 1909 HW - Larry Foley (6/1) (23-7-2) KO7 Bill Squires (40/43) (11-14-1) (squires at post) WW - Jack McGinty (UR) (9-0-2) UD10 Johnny Summers (UR) (8-3) (both fighters at pre/ summers stepped up to WW in this weight-adjusted fight) LW - Leach Cross (22/22) (9-7-1) UD10 George Monroe (UR/club) (5-10) (both at pre) BW - Dave Sullivan (UR) (10-2-1) UD10 Morris Rauch (UR) (7-6-1) (both at pre) MW - Johnny Douglas (UR) (6-0-2) DRAW8 Walter Burgo (UR) (4-5-2) (both at pre in this club fight) LW - Mike Cushing (club) (10-20-5) SD10 Andy Bowen (club) (13-22-1) (cushing at post/ bowen at end for this club fight)

11-02-2005, 05:15 AM	#817 (permalink)
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,006	Take a look at my aging system, im very happy with it and its quite simple to use. rgds Dean

11-02-2005, 12:02 PM	#819 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. * note going back to using post prime and end for reasons not explainable right now. Because of the high drop off though, starting next month pre/post/end will all have a 50% chance of facing a TC everytime they are scheduled to fight which should help keep their records in check. As always in the LBA this rule will stay in effect until I feel like changing it July 7, 1909 MW - Stanley Ketchel (6/5) (23-4) TKO4 Bill Fleming (UR) (8-1) (fleming at pre) LW - Hughie Megehan (UR) (10-2) TKO8 Sam Bolen (7/16) (10-11-1) (megehan at pre) HW - Bill Lang (8/6) (16-6) TKO6 Herbert Slade (14/19) (16-16-2) MW - Frank Klaus (11/11) (14-6-1) UD10 Ked Locke (UR) (9-5) (locke at pre) BW - Charles Goldman (UR) (12-1-1) UD10 Ike Weir (12/12) (7-10-1) (goldman at pre) HW - Billy Woods (club) (11-12-2) KO3 Jim Daly (club) (13-18-5) (woods at post/daly at end in this club fight)

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11-02-2005, 11:46 PM	#820 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,963 Warnings: 2	I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the LBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. * note going back to using post prime and end for reasons not explainable right now. Because of the high drop off though, starting next month pre/post/end will all have a 50% chance of facing a TC everytime they are scheduled to fight which should help keep their records in check. As always in the LBA this rule will stay in effect until I feel like changing it July 10, 1909 LW - Abe Attell (8/4) (32-8-1) UD10 Ad Wolgast (21/25) (10-8) FW - Jack Downey (13/14) (11-5) UD10 Kid Broad (17/29) (10-8-1) MW - George Gunther (UR) (9-2) SD10 Denny Kelliher (8/11) (17-17-3) (gunther at pre) LW - Tim Callahan (UR) (9-3-1) UD10 Mike Leonard (UR/24) (10-2-3) (both at pre) MW - Al rogers (UR) (7-0-1) UD8 Martin Mulverhill (UR) (5-5-2) (both at pre for this club fight) FW - Joe Bernstein (club) (11-13-4) DRAW10 Billy Barrett (club) (10-11-5) (both at post for this club fight)