Louisville Boxing Association

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Brooks TVB

MH I need a few heavies whose career started in 1901, I am very slim there. Can you help?

I actually only have 3 Billy Clark, Jack Palmer and Ben Taylor. Beauscholte, Gotch and Temple may have been HW's but I put them down to LHW.

I had alot of people in my uni to start with since I added all fighters up to 1900 to start with. As I added new fighters I would add them to the universe at the start of the year. I may have added more than the 3 listed above, but that doesn't mean their career start date was 1901.

So if I'm into the 1920's and someone creates a fighter who fought between 1888 and 1900 I will add them in the 1920's.

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

May 1, 1910

HW - John Sullivan (8/6) (33-7) TKO8 Tom Sharkey (11/16) (29-15) 66-65 Sharkey at stoppage (sullivan avenges an earlier loss, Sharkey down in the 5th and 8th, Sullivan down in the 6th)

HW - Paul Samson-Korner (UR) (12-1) UD10 Peter Maher (86/86) (16-19-1) 95-93 (close fight until Maher down twice in the 10th .... Korner got a whole 13 pp for the win as Maher has the least (-591) pp of any main division fighter.... Korner at pre, maher at post)

LH - Jim Jeffords (31/25) (13-13) UD10 Larry Temple (21/26) (16-4-2) (temple was 13-0 at one point)

MW - Mike Donovan (42/35) (22-18-5) UD10 Dick Barker (27/36) (7-7-2) (barker at pre)

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.


May 3, 1910

LH - John Donaldson (9/5) (17-11) MD10 Fred Russell (1/6) (14-7) 96-93 Donaldson (Donaldson dominated the first half of the fight then held off a late rally to win and advance to the WBC title fight)

WW - Jack Willis (31/30) (12-9-1) TKO4) William Sullivan (34/34) (9-7-2)

LW - Willie Fitzgerald (25/21) (12-1-3) UD10 Gus Brown (UR) (10-3-1) (both at pre)

LW - Danny Duane (15/13) (14-10-3) MD10 Lockport Jimmy Duffy (UR) (10-1-1) 97-95 Duane (duffy at pre, lost a point to a foul)

HW - Arthur Warren (UR) (6-2-1) UD8 George Paris (UR) (2-6-2) (both at pre for this club fight)

MW - Edward Rollins (club) (20-21) KO2 Geoffrey Thorne (club) (19-23-2) (both at end for this club fight, Rollins is about to make history as the first end fighter to get back to the main division, he is 3-1 at end stage (advantage of getting to fight TC's))

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.


May 6, 1910

The night didn't start off the way Charles McCoy (CH) (27-8-3) wanted it to but it ended just right with a TKO5 victory over Dan Creedon (4/7) (25-13-1).

Creedon took it right at McCoy from the opening bell. Taking the first two rounds by a wide margin. McCoy fought him close in the third and then took a beating in the 4th with both of his eyes swelling up.

That seemed to insence McCoy and he came out fast in the fifth. He nearly knocked Creedon's head off 1 minute into the round and then landed unanswered punch after unanswered punch for the next minute until Referee Abe Goldstein had seen enough and stopped the bout.

I had it 39-37 creedon at the stoppage.

On the undercard

WW - Mike Glover (UR) (11-0-2) MD10 Buddy Ryan (16/19) (12-15) 97-94 (glover at pre)

FW - Young Corbett (9/6) (22-16-4) KO1 Fred Delaney (60/60) (8-8-1) (delaney at pre ... only 32 pp moved Corbett up 3 spots in the polls ... rankings are very tight in the FW division with only 100 pp seperating 3 from 12)

FW - Joe Tipman (40/38) (9-6-2) DRAW10 Frank Robson (42/40) (10-1-5)

HW - Gunboat Smith (UR) (9-0) UD8 Walter Altieri (UR) (9-1) 79-73 (both at pre for this club fight)

WW - Matty Matthews (club) (17-20-2) KO8 Billy Devine (club) (5-20-4) (matthews at post for this club fight)

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.


May 8th, 1910

MW - Rube Ferns (16/6) (26-13-1) UD10 Billy McCarthy (2/8) (25-12-3) 98-93 (big win for Ferns thrusts him back into the title picture)

WW - George Cole (2/1) (12-8-4) KO4 Hughie Mehegan (UR/34) (11-4) (mehegan at pre, mehegan stepped up to ww for this bout)

BW - Johnny Hughes (1/1) (12-2-5) KO7 Dennis McFadden (32/33) (12-13-2) (hughes stepped up to BW for this bout)

HW - Bill McKinnon (42/28) (13-6) KO6 Jim Williams (24/32) (11-6) (williams at pre)

HW - Marvin Hart (69/47) (17-15-4) KO2 Jack Downey (UR/48) (10-2-3) (downey at pre)

WW - Pat Farley (UR) (9-5) UD8 Dave Deshler (UR) (4-3-2) (both at pre for this club fight)



**** note .... looking down the road this month there is a main event non-title bout to look forward to ... MW's Jack Dempsey and Billy Papke will fight, both are ranked in the top 5 ... should be a good one

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by mh2365

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.


May 8th, 1910

MW - Rube Ferns (16/6) (26-13-1) UD10 Billy McCarthy (2/8) (25-12-3) 98-93 (big win for Ferns thrusts him back into the title picture)

WW - George Cole (2/1) (12-8-4) KO4 Hughie Mehegan (UR/34) (11-4) (mehegan at pre, mehegan stepped up to ww for this bout)

BW - Johnny Hughes (1/1) (12-2-5) KO7 Dennis McFadden (32/33) (12-13-2) (hughes stepped up to BW for this bout)

HW - Bill McKinnon (42/28) (13-6) KO6 Jim Williams (24/32) (11-6) (williams at pre)

HW - Marvin Hart (69/47) (17-15-4) KO2 Jack Downey (UR/48) (10-2-3) (downey at pre)

WW - Pat Farley (UR) (9-5) UD8 Dave Deshler (UR) (4-3-2) (both at pre for this club fight)



**** note .... looking down the road this month there is a main event non-title bout to look forward to ... MW's Jack Dempsey and Billy Papke will fight, both are ranked in the top 5 ... should be a good one

Let's go Jack, so you can get another title fight and lose again.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Let's go Jack, so you can get another title fight and lose again.

Good call he is 34-5 in my uni, all 5 loses have been in title bouts. Never lost a non title fight!

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Good call he is 34-5 in my uni, all 5 loses have been in title bouts. Never lost a non title fight!

Damn, I didn't realize that all his loses were in title fights. I can't think of a better fighter who has been as bad in championship fight as good ole Jack.

[CONN CHRIS]

I missed McAllister's fight a ways back. I'll try to keep up in the future - thanks for continuing to headline him Mike!

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Damn, I didn't realize that all his loses were in title fights. I can't think of a better fighter who has been as bad in championship fight as good ole Jack.

The loss to Klaus was the only one that really surprised me ... his other 4 were to Ryan, Ketchel and twice to Fitzsimmons.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by mh2365

The loss to Klaus was the only one that really surprised me ... his other 4 were to Ryan, Ketchel and twice to Fitzsimmons.

Well at least most of those losts were to top-notch guys. Dempsey is what 2-5 it title fights right?

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Well at least most of those losts were to top-notch guys. Dempsey is what 2-5 it title fights right?

Wow exactley right

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Wow exactley right

Yeah Dempsey is probably my favorite fighter active in the LBA right now. Why I'm not sure, I don't really know anything about the real life Dempsey but just kind got attached to him while reading the thread.

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.


May 10, 1910

WW - Jack Britton (3/3) (17-3-4) DRAW10 Joe Walcott (6/6) (23-13-4) 95-94 Britton (I gave Britton a 2 point round for a 30-2 round, no one else did though)

LW - Freddie Welsh (7/7) (16-4-1) TKO1 Irish Jack Smith (54/55) (9-8) (smith at pre, Welsh go a whole 9.84 pp for this one)

HW - Ed Martin (37/28) (21-15) UD10 Dick O'Brien (78/81) (11-8-1) 95-91

HW - Frank Childs (22/22) (21-15-6) DRAW10 Harry Laing (27/26) (13-3-2) (laing at pre)

HW - John Scholes (UR) (6-6-2) DRAW8 Sunny Jim (UR) (8-3-2) (both at pre in this club fight)

LW - Young Otto (club) (11-17-4) KO8 Kid Farmer (club) (5-20-2) (both at post for this club fight)

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

May 13, 1910

LW - Abe Attell (9/4) (34-9-2) TKO7 Jack Everhardt (1/5) (14-5-3) 59-54 Attell at stoppage (IBF Title eliminator, semifinals set)

FW - David Morgan (52/49) (9-6-1) UD10 Joe Reilly (33/44) (6-7-3) (both at pre ... one of the few cases in the new ranking system where the winner is still ranked lower ... morgan has 72 pp, Reilly 57)

HW - Peter Jackson (1/1) (32-6-1) KO8 Sid Russell (84/84) (8-10-1) (jackson (-3.77) actually lost more pp than russell (-2.23), so that much of a ranking difference actually hurts the winner)

LH - Leo Houck (27/16) (19-11-2) UD10 Joe Craig (9/club) (5-10-1) (craig at pre, drops back to club with the loss)

LH - Thomas Sayers (UR) (10-1-3) UD8 Les O'Donnell (UR) (8-3-1) (both at pre for this club fight, Sayers moves to main)

FW - Eddie Santry (club) (19-21-1) UD8 Buck Leary (UR/30) (5-8-2) (santry at end, leary at pre for this club fight .... Leary moves to main (probably for only two fights) Santry wins 7th straight, see poll thread)

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

May 15, 1910

FW - Jem Driscoll (1/1) (36-6-1) TKO5 Oscar Gardner (4/4) (16-5-1) 40-35 (driscoll batters gardner in this IBF title elimination bout ... Driscoll moves on to the title bout)

BW - Nunc Wallace (27/25) (12-5-1) SD10 Billy Rotchford (25/29) (13-12-1) (wallace at pre)

HW - Jem Mace (77/69) (17-12-2) UD10 Joe Goddard (60/71) (16-17-1) (goddard at post ... mace stops a 4 fight losing streak)

LW - Young Erne (31/28) (14-6) UD10 Chicago Dave Barry (56/56) (7-10) (both at pre)

LH - Al Kauffman (club/9) (12-12) TKO6 Al Terrill (UR) (7-1-1) 50-45 (terrill at pre... kauffman moves back to main)

FW - Danny McBride (UR) (10-1-1) UD8 Barney McCall (UR) (8-5-1) (both at pre, McBride moves to main)

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.


May 17, 1910

In a major upset (pre-prime) Alec Greggains (7/CH) (12-3-1) scored a stunning KO15 over Champ Joe Butler (CH/1) (32-8-2) to win the WBA Lightheavyweight title.

The fight was close the first 9 rounds with it split 4-4-1. Both fighters had swelling going on with their left eyes, both fighters were low on endurance. Then Butler did what everyone expected and took control of the fight from the inexperienced Greggains.

Butler took the 10th through the 12th rounds to build a comfortable lead. Greggains started to push through his tiredness in the 13th taking a very close round.

Butler was winning the 14th when he got caught with a solid punch and dropped for a 3 count. The fight was close the rest of the round. Early in the 15th Butler got caught again and this time couldn't beat the count and bedlam set in. Greggains will move to prime with the win and the title.

I had it 133-133 as did my alter ego who was the ringside expert. On paper a pre-prime 5 vs a prime 8 is a complete mismatch ... but that's why they lace them up..... (in case there is any doubt, this is the best game ever)


On the undercard

WW - Honey Mellody (18/19) (18-15-1) DRAW10 Fighting Kennedy (31/31) (9-6-1) (kennedy at pre)

HW - Bill Lang (8/7) (19-6) KO7 Mexican Pete Everett (46/57) (11-5) 59-55 Lang (everett at pre)

LW - Tim Kearns (19/17) (10-7-3) UD10 George Siddons (32) (9-8) (siddons at pre)

MW - Frank Brew (UR) (7-1-1) UD8 Tom Norton (UR) (8-1) 79-74 (both at pre for this club fight, another undefeated bites the dust)

BW - Digger Stanley (club) (16-21-4) MD8 John Connors (UR) (7-4-2) (stanley at post, connors at pre for this club fight)

[Ian Lord]

. On paper a pre-prime 5 vs a prime 8 is a complete mismatch ... but that's why they lace them up..... (in case there is any doubt, this is the best game ever)

Totally agree with you there Mike. Excellent stuff as always.

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

May 20, 1910

The commissioner of the LBA (Me) decided this would be the first 12 round fight in about 2 years. Top ranked guys have avoided each other for a while (or I just got lazy whatever ). It was good thing for Jack Dempsey NP (5/1) (35-5), because he would have lost after 10 rounds.

Instead he scored a TKO11 over Billy Papke (1/2) (19-3). Papke suffered a bad cut over his right eye in the second round. His corner did a great job on it as it was only re-opened once in the 6th, and didn't factor into the out come of the fight. It was a close fight with Papke dominating the first 5 rounds and then Dempsey coming back in the late rounds.

Dempsey went down early in the 10th and Papke swarmed all over him. Dempsey went down a second time with still a minute to go, but managed to hold on to get out of the round. Papke sensed the kill and went after Dempsey in the 11th, but got careless and took a hard right hand that dropped him for an 8 count. He was nearly defenseless and Dempsey pounded him for another minute before the ref stopped the bout.

I had it 96-92 papke at the stoppage.

On the undercard

FW - Charles Slusher (21/21) (9-5-2) DRAW10 Thomas Palmer (31/31) (17-19-3) (slusher at pre, Palmer at post)

LH - Jim Dunn (15/11) (12-6-1) UD10 Jack Welsh (16/22) (10-5-4) (both at pre)

FW - Eddie Lenny (47/31) (11-7-4) UD10 Chris Tucker (28/32) (12-4) (tucker at pre)

MW - Jack Smith (UR) (7-3-1) SD8 Johnny McGlade (club) (17-22-3) (smith at pre, mcglade at end for this club fight)

BW - Steve Flanagan (UR) (10-1) UD8 Jimmy Brackett (UR) (7-7) (both at pre for this club fight, flanagan moves to main with the win)

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by mh2365

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

May 20, 1910

The commissioner of the LBA (Me) decided this would be the first 12 round fight in about 2 years. Top ranked guys have avoided each other for a while (or I just got lazy whatever ). It was good thing for Jack Dempsey NP (5/1) (35-5), because he would have lost after 10 rounds.

Instead he scored a TKO11 over Billy Papke (1/2) (19-3). Papke suffered a bad cut over his right eye in the second round. His corner did a great job on it as it was only re-opened once in the 6th, and didn't factor into the out come of the fight. It was a close fight with Papke dominating the first 5 rounds and then Dempsey coming back in the late rounds.

Dempsey went down early in the 10th and Papke swarmed all over him. Dempsey went down a second time with still a minute to go, but managed to hold on to get out of the round. Papke sensed the kill and went after Dempsey in the 11th, but got careless and took a hard right hand that dropped him for an 8 count. He was nearly defenseless and Dempsey pounded him for another minute before the ref stopped the bout.

I had it 96-92 papke at the stoppage.

On the undercard

FW - Charles Slusher (21/21) (9-5-2) DRAW10 Thomas Palmer (31/31) (17-19-3) (slusher at pre, Palmer at post)

LH - Jim Dunn (15/11) (12-6-1) UD10 Jack Welsh (16/22) (10-5-4) (both at pre)

FW - Eddie Lenny (47/31) (11-7-4) UD10 Chris Tucker (28/32) (12-4) (tucker at pre)

MW - Jack Smith (UR) (7-3-1) SD8 Johnny McGlade (club) (17-22-3) (smith at pre, mcglade at end for this club fight)

BW - Steve Flanagan (UR) (10-1) UD8 Jimmy Brackett (UR) (7-7) (both at pre for this club fight, flanagan moves to main with the win)

The man is unstoppable, you just can't beat Jack Dempsey he's the greatest fighter ever....... along as there is not title on the line cause then he's almost helpless.