Louisville Boxing Association

[CONN CHRIS]

Hey, Bob's back in action! Looking forward to his first slot in the rankings.

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.


August 19, 1910

LW - Jimmy Carroll (36/23) (19-14-5) TKO5 Kid McPartland (11/20) (19-17-4) 39-36 Carroll

BW - Watty Austin (36/31) (13-13-3) UD10 Tommy Doherty (45/45) (9-9-1) (doherty at pre)

HW - Herbert Slade (75/72) (18-18-2) KO5 Bill Farnam (87/89) (15-18-1)

LW - Joe Ellingsworth (UR/26) (13-2) MD10 George Siddons (38/46) (9-9) (both at pre)

WW - Matt Wells (UR) (9-0) MD8 Jim Judge (club) (9-14-2) 78-76 (wells at pre for this club fight)

LW - Billy Edwards (club/33) (21-21-4) SD10 Mike Cushing (club) (11-24-5) (both at post for this club fight ... Edwards moves back to main with the win)


***note **** Edwards spent 8 years down in the club division before climbing back up

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Hey, Bob's back in action! Looking forward to his first slot in the rankings.

He'll be ranked before year's out. Looking at current pp it looks like he'll be top 15 with a win.

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

August 21, 1910

BW - Jimmy Barry (UR/13) (13-2) UD10 young Johnson (36/39) 98-89 (both at pre)

WW - Young Loughrey (47/39) (11-6-2) UD10 Willie Lewis (34/40) (16-18-1) 97-92 (loughrey at pre, lewis at post)

HW - Peter Jackson (1/1) (33-6-1) KO5 J. Black (27/30) (11-5) (black at pre)

LW - Sam Bolen (28-17) (14-12-1) KO8 Danny Duane (10/18) (15-11-3) 67-67

WW - Kid Alaska (UR) (7-0-1) TKO6 Jack Bennett (club) (9-17-2) 48-47 bennett (alaska at pre for this club fight)

BW - Charley Kelly (club) (9-11-1) MD8 Bill Baxter (UR) (7-2) (baxter at pre for this club fight)

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.


August 24, 1910

HW - Joe Coburn (19/19) (22-12-5) DRAW10 Charley Mitchell (69/62) (27-11-1) 96-95 coburn

WW - Jimmy Clabby (34/34) (8-7-7)** DRAW10 Al Neill (39/38) (7-11-3)

LH - Jerry Jerome (32/25) (14-4) TKO8 Dan Dwyer (13/15) (17-18-1) (jerome at pre, dwyer at post ... jerome stepped up to LH for this fight)

FW - Martin Flaherty (69/63) (10-11-3) KO8 Ole Oleson (43/64) (13-13-3)

LH - Jack Welsh (31/24) (11-7-4) SD10 Charlie Haghey (16/25) (14-5) 96-95 welsh (both at pre)

FW - Patsy Brannigan (UR) (8-0-1) DRAW8 Jack Roberts (club) (7-13-1) 77-75 roberts (brannigan at pre for this club fight ..... Brannigan got a serious gift here ... ringside expert and one judge had it 78-74)


***note*** Clabby and Dave Holly in my uni just can't quit drawing 15 between the two of them

[mh2365]

I am going to list the before and after rankings now on the fight cards listed as (before/after) all rankings will be the WBA rankings unless it's a title fight for another organization. Also I will list my scorecard on the fights I watch in bold.

August 28, 1910

Jem Driscoll (1/CH) (37-6-1) scored a TKO10 over Cal McCarthy (2/2) (17-4) (mccarthy at pre) to win the new IBF Featherweight crown. This will be Driscoll's second title reign after his first ended with the stunning SD loss to Jimmy Briggs.

Driscoll controlled this fight from the start dropping McCarthy in the 3rd round. He pitched a near shutout and finally dropped McCarthy again in the 10th and then stopped him later in the round.

I had it 89-81. So did Javier Flores at ringside.

On the undercard

LW - Dave Holly (13/12) (17-6-8) KO7 Paddy Sullivan (57/58) (9-10) (sullivan at pre)

LH - Leo Houck (19/16) (21-11-2) UD10 Dan Flynn (21/24) (12-8-2)

LW - Austin Gibbons (19/19) (22-19-4) DRAW10 Billy Barrett (41/38) (14-11-6) (barrett stepped up to LW for this fight)

LH - Jim Jeffords (36/18) (14-13) TKO9 Al Weinig (4/19) (13-12-1) (loss finally puts Weinig out of the top 10)

HW - Syd Hughes (club) (11-12-2) TKO5 Heriberto Rojas (club) (9-13-2) (club fight)


*** note *** ends the month

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Five title fights in August. Jack Johnson was the only champ to lose his title.
Gans and Coulon had fairly easy title defenses. McAuliffe and Driscoll both won vacant titles.

The featherweight division became the second division to crown an IBF Champ. Heavyweight division is 3 ranked fighters away from having a WBO champ.

As a side note I've decided that the WBO title will be an equal to the other 3. The IBO title will be the world champ of the under 30 fights regional champs. So all the regional champs will be eligible to fight for the IBO title and keep their regional title. The IBO champ will be eligible for a world title but will have to give up both the IBO and their regional title if they win. No prime fighters will be allowed to contend for these titles.

The WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO title will now start ranking other champs. IBO rankings will be immaterial since only regional title holders can fight for this title.


Fighter movement from the fight cards (up to main unless noted)

HW - Paddy Ryan (9-14-2) down to club, Charlie Richardson (10-0-3), Gunboat Smith (10-0)
LH - Gunner Moir (9-14-1) down to club
WW - Jimmy Conley (10-3)
LW - Jim Smith (10-1-2), Billy Edwards (21-21-4)
BW - Ned Morris (5-10-2)


Debut Rankings

HW - Frank Herald (10-4-1) (18)
HW - Jack McCormick (11-4) (13)
LH - Howard Morrow (12-3) (7)
MW - Jeff Clarke (13-2) (27)
MW - Walter Coffey (11-4) (23)
WW - Pat Farley (10-5) (18)
WW - tom McAlpine (12-3) (13)
LW - Horace Leads (13-2) (24)
LW - Joe Ellingsworth (13-2) (28)
FW - Jimmy Hill (11-3-1) (45)
FW - Yankee Schwartz (12-2-1) (28)
BW - Walter Croot (10-2-3) (24)
BW - Jimmy Barry (13-2) (14)
BW - Joe O'Leary (8-5-2) (33)

monthly fights attached

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Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter

Heavyweights

WBA/WBC - Sam Langford (25-6-1) (632)
IBF - James Corbett (31-8-3) (683)
1. Peter Jackson (33-6-1) (902)
2. Jack Johnson (37-3) (682)
3. Joe Jeannette (21-1) (631)
4. Dominic McCaffrey (30-10-3) (504)
5. Frank Mantell (P) (17-5) (475)
6. John Heenan (24-8-1) (457)
7. Bill Lang (19-6) (467)
8. Larry Foley (24-8-3) (456)
9. Frank Slavin (26-14-1) (413)
10. Joe Goss (21-5-2) (393)
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25. Harry Laing (P) (14-3-2) (272)
50. Billy Woods (15-13-2) (113)
75. Jim Fell (P) (13-6) (1)
97. Peter Maher (R) (16-20-1) (-653)


LightHeavyweight

WBA - Alec Greggains (13-3-1) (477)
WBC - John Donaldson (18-11) (375)
1. Jack O'Brien (25-5-1) (485)
2. Joe Butler (32-8-2) (476)
3. George Byers (14-8-1) (374)
4. Georges Carpentier (P) (15-1) (355)
5. Charley Stevenson (11-11) (340)
6. Howard Morrow (P) (12-3) (315)
7. Fred Russell (14-7) (310)
8. Thomas Sayers (P) (12-1-3) (338)
9. Jack Dillon (P) (16-0) (294)
10. Mike Boden (P) (11-1-3) (282)
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25. Jack Welsh (P) (11-6-3) (41)
41. Jack Beauscholte (8-11-2) (-563)


(P) = pre-prime (R) = post prime

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Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter

Middleweights

WBA - Frank Klaus (18-6-1) 634
WBC - Charles McCoy (28-8-3) 702
1. Billy Papke (19-3) 529
2. Jack Dempsey (36-5) 530
3. Stanley Ketchel (26-6) 516
4. Paddy Levin (P) (14-2-3) 461
5. Jimmy Handler (11-11-3) 436
6. Tommy Ryan (39-2-1) 430
7. Frank Glover (R)(18-18) 424
8. Dan Creedon (25-13-1) 451
9. Bob Moha (12-4-4) 400
10. Billy McCarthy (26-13-3) 423
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25. Jerry Jerome (P)(14-4) 244
44. Edward Rollins (R)(21-21) 72
54. Joe Costa (10-7-5) -227



Welterweight

WBA/WBC - Joe Gans (32-4-3) 896
1. George Cole (14-8-4) 876
2. Jack Britton (17-3-4) 689
3. Peter Jackson (24-5) 689
4. Tommy West (17-5-2) 690
5. Joe Walcott (24-13-4) 540
6. Kyle Whitney (16-4-3) 501
7. Wildcat Ferns (P) (15-5) 499
8. Terry Martin (17-3-1) 497
9. Bartley Connolly (P) (12-3-2) 349
10. Kid Graves (16-5-2) 348
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25. Owen Ziegler (R) (15-17) 222
45. Cy Flynn (P) (9-9) -467



(P) = pre-prime (R) = post prime

[mh2365]

Note the top 10 in LHW is considerably better than it was back in april ... look back to around page 58 if interested.

[meade95]

Great stuff - I enjoy following how this all unfolds -

[mh2365]

Note ***** leaving for Chicago this morning for a concert in Chicago tonight and Milwaukee tomorrow night, then back to Louisville on Saturday. didn't get a chance to finish the rankings this morning will finish on Sat.

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Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter


Lightweight

WBA - Aurelio Herrera (20-8) 619
WBC - Jack McAuliffe (35-6-2) 806
1. Jack Blackburn (26-11-4) 775
2. Abe Attell (35-9-2) 698
3. George Lavigne (28-13-1) 644
4. Jack Everhardt (14-5-3) 632
5. Frank Erne (19-6-2) 618
6. Arthur Chambers (16-3-1) 637
7. Harry Lyons (30-15-1) 582
8. Freddie Welsh (17-5-1) 590
9. Bill Dacey (R) (17-16-2) 489
10. Jack Keenan (P) (14-1-1) 449
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26. Jack Hopper (P) (13-3-1) 301
50. Ad Wolgast (13-10) 54
66. Chicago Dave Barry (P) (7-11) -290



Featherweight

WBA/WBC - Jimmy Briggs (15-10-5) 789
IBF - Jem Driscoll (37-6-1) 883

1. Johnny Kilbane (P) (17-2-1) 580
2. Cal McCarthy (P) (17-4) 543
3. Oscar Gardner (16-5-1) 490
4. Kid Herman Landfield (13-12-2) 463
5. Young Pluto (P) (17-1) 455
6. Billy Snailham (P) (16-4) 412
7. Young Corbett (22-16-4) 379
8. Benny Yanger (P) (17-1) 370
9. Will Curley (16-7-3) 404
10. Young Griffo (32-8-6) 400
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25. Johnny T. Griffin (P) (14-3-1) 191
50. Boss Edwards (P) (10-8-1) 113
73. Leo Dobbins (P) (7-11) -220


(P) = pre-prime (R) = post prime

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Rankings - champs, 1-10 and then some pp comparison rankings along with the last ranked main division fighter

Bantamweight


WBA - Al Delmont (21-8-2) 738
WBC - Johnny Coulon (24-3-2) 701

1. George Dixon (30-8-1) 785
2. Billy Plimmer (22-13-6) 667
3. Charles Goldman (P) (15-2-1) 640
4. Johnny Murphy (16-2-1) 550
5. Monte Attell (16-5-1) 470
6. Owen Moran (28-6-6) 505
7. Jimmy Walsh (10-11-5) 442
8. Danny Dougherty (R) (16-14-1) 377
9. Terry McGovern (32-7-4) 362
10. Frankie Burns (P) (12-2-1) 353
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25. Tom Cassiday (P) (11-2-3) 264
40. Young Johnson (P) (7-9-1) 136
51. Tommy Kelly (R) (16-20-2) -283



Flyweights

rankings at the end of the year ... there will be a champ by then



(P) = pre-prime (R) = post prime

[javier_83]

nice to see all this rankings

Aurelio at the top

awesome stuff all the thinks you make

can you explain me better the Regional titles?

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by javier_83

nice to see all this rankings

Aurelio at the top

awesome stuff all the thinks you make

can you explain me better the Regional titles?

Okay I'm gonna use group 2 for regional titles ... undecided what they will be yet probably North American Boxing Federation (NABF) one or two european titles and maybe an African title eventually. Probably 4 or 5 total.

Then there will be the 4 main world titles WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO. There has to be 8-10 ranked for WBA, 30 ranked for the WBC to come into play, 60 ranked for IBF and 100 for the WBO.

The regional titles are only for pre-prime fighters. So once they hit prime they are no longer eligble. The IBO title will be only for fighters who hold regional titles. So it's the big title for the pre-prime guys. In order to fight for it the fighter has to hold a regional title. So there will only be 3 to 4 guys in contention for it. It won't be fought for more than once or twice a year.

[mh2365]

42 out of the remaining 85 beginners were in action this month with several moving up to club. They went 36-4-2 against the TC's.


Moving up

HW - Black Bill (8-0), Bill Kennedy (6-0-2), John Mathews (2-4-2), Jim Scanlon (8-0), Ern Waddy (1-4)

LH - Battling Levinsky (8-0)

MW - Battling Connors (3-2-2), Charley Davis (4-0-1), Tommy Gavigan (5-0), John McConnell (8-0), Whitey Wenzel (6-0)

WW - Tommy Howell (7-1)

FW - Ty Cobb (7-1), Doc Hollywood (8-0), Hugh McPadden (7-0-1), Tommy Warren ((8-0)

BW - Terry Edwards (7-0-1)

FLY - Griff Jones (8-0)

[mh2365]

191 out of 505 Main division fighters are in action this month with 59 of them facing TC's. They went 54-4-1 against them. There was no division movement with the main fighters so far.

[mh2365]

Some good ones this month

LH - (WBC) John Donaldson (18-11) vs. #2 Jack O'Brien (25-5-1) (O'Brien holds two wins over Donaldson a UD15 and a UD10)

LH - (WBA) Alec Greggains (12-3-1) vs. #13 John Wille (15-5) (first meeting)

MW - (WBC) Charles McCoy (28-8-3) vs. #7 Stanley Ketchel (26-6) (first meeting)

LW - (IBF) #3 Abe Attell (35-9-2) vs. #2 Jack Blackburn (26-11-4) (first meeting for new IBF crown)

LW - (WBA) Aurelio Herrera (20-8) vs. #7 Arthur Chambers (16-3-1) (first meeting)

All for titles being defended could easily switch hands.

[mh2365]

Started the LBA and this thread two years ago today. I for one did not think I would stick with it this long. I don't think I've gone longer than 3 days in that span without playing it.

Also the only time I play TBCB is with my universe. From the humble beginnings I now have over 800 active fighters (not including TC's). I almost done with my 11th year. At this rate I should get to 2000 in another 20 or so years .

Thanks to everyone who has posted and paid attention to this thread it definitely helps keep me interested.