Lba Retired Thread - Page 3

mh2365 · 01-01-2006, 11:32 PM

no writeups but here are the pages of 3 retired LW's

mh2365 · 03-21-2006, 10:27 AM

HW - Jim Daly retires. He was one of the original HW's so his career last 10 years and 8 months.

He dropped to 1-6 and to the club ranks in August of 1901 and fought there the rest of his career. He came close in January of 1907 he got his record to 12-13-4 but then lost two in a row and finished at 15-19-6. He fought to a draw with a TC in his last fight. His record in his last 10 was 3-5-2 so he didn't get to stick around.

mh2365 · 03-21-2006, 01:21 PM

Mw - Geoffrey Thorne hangs it up after a KO win over a TC. While he still thinks he can win, he doesn't see the point of it anymore. He dropped to club in August of 1902 and stayed there the rest of the way. He came close in April of 1908 running his record to 16-17-2 but then lost 4 out of 5.

His record in his last 10 fights was 4-6.

mh2365 · 03-22-2006, 11:39 AM

Henry Higgans hangs it up after 9 years. He calls it quits after a loss in the club ranks to Pearce Henry. Higgans started in 1901, dropped to the club ranks in 10/03 and never made it back up. Never even got close.

Jeff1787 · 03-23-2006, 05:23 PM

Have you switched to auto-aging?

mh2365 · 03-23-2006, 07:02 PM

Yeah I'm a beta tester so I've been on it for a while now ... these were my first retirees but they were already at end before I switched to auto-aging.

Jeff1787 · 03-23-2006, 07:31 PM

What are your aging step up number ranges?

Mine are:

5-7
10-18
10-30
10-20
10-20

but I might change them alittle. What you think?

mh2365 · 03-23-2006, 07:42 PM

nothing wrong with those settings a nice 45-95 range of fights.

Mine are at
5-8
15-22
20-35
5-25
5-25

which gives me a range of 50-115. Now with my post-primes and ends, if they get auto moved I check on them. If they have 6 wins in their last 10 fights I move them back to what they were, which gives them another 5-25 fights at that range.

At years end in my uni I have random retirements also so not everyone goes on and on. Everyone with over 40 fights has a 50% chance of rolling for retirement. If they have to roll for it then they have a 10 + 1 % for every fight they are over 40. So a guy who has 40 fights would have a 10% chance while a guy with 52 fights would have a 22% chance.

Anyone who has come out of retirement automatically rolls for it at the end of every year. So it will require some luck to get to 100 fights in my uni. Say a guy has 75 fights if he has to roll he'd have a 45% chance of retiring.

mh2365 · 04-05-2006, 02:15 PM

HW John McDermont calls it quits after almost 10 years in boxing. He decided to go out with a win over a TC. He finishes 11-25-2. He dropped to the club ranks in June of 1903 and never made it back. Came close taking his record to 6-8 and then 7-9, then he dropped 5 straight and never came close again.

mh2365 · 05-04-2006, 05:43 AM

Tom Hinch calls it quits after over 10 years in boxing. Another one of the originals, Hinch finishes with a record of 11-21-4. He lost his last bout to Syd Hughes by KO5.

Hinch dropped to club in March of 1904 and never got back to the main division. The closest he came was when he won to get to 10-15-2.

His biggest win was early in his career when he beat William Miller by SD10 in April of 1902.

*** note *** for the time being I'm not posting fighter texts because it screws up my game when I try to "open as XML" and then I can't open it when I try to "export as XML"

mh2365 · 06-25-2006, 02:35 PM

Only 2 out of the 37 fighters who had a chance to retire did. Both fighters were part of the original group of fighters. Both will have a shot at coming back. 50% the first year, 25% the second year.

Dick Egan finishes 20-19 with 151 pp. He dropped to club in 1902 with a record of 2-7, but reeled off 5 straight wins to comeback to main in late 1903. In November of 1905 he once again dropped to club with a record of 8-13. Then he evened his record out at 15-15 in 1908 to go back to the main division. He got his record to his best mark of 19-16 before losing 3 out of his last 4 fights.

Egan finished with 9 KO's and he never fought for a title. He scored 26 knockdowns and tasted the canvas 17 times. He was also stopped 9 times. He fought 318 rounds in his career. He landed more punches than his opponent (25.5-23.1) but was less accurate (44.5-46.7%)

George Gardner finishes 20-12-3 with only 5pp. He started out at LH and fought for the LH title twice losing once to Jack O'Brien and once to Jack Root. He was 14-7-2 as a LH. He never really found much success at HW. He never really had a signature win either.

Gardner finished with 8 KO's and was stopped only twice. He went 319 rounds averaging 9.1 rounds a fight. He scored 26 kd's and was down 28 times. He out landed his opponents (23.5-21.1) and was more accurate (36.9-33.6%)

bigMatt · 06-25-2006, 04:32 PM

Seeing some familiar names among the retirees.

I was wondering Mark, how big is your club level? How many TC's did you throw into club level to subsidize it? I'm thinking of doing the same thing with my uni - putting guys 5 below .500 into a club circuit that "tests" the newcomers prior to their entry into the PBF. Right now that duty is performed solely by TC's.

mh2365 · 06-25-2006, 05:09 PM

I don't have any TC's in my uni at all, I have them in a seperate group entirely. So club is made up entirely of newcomers and poor vets. My club numbers are a little thinned right now because of my decision to let all the beginners fight TC's, pretty much guarentees they will get up to main. But I still a min of 16 in each division (except fly) So the #'s are still there.

mh2365 · 06-25-2006, 07:08 PM

None

13 fighters had a chance to but no low #'s were rolled.

mh2365 · 06-25-2006, 09:09 PM

1 out of the 9 guys up for retirement retired. An orginal middleweight in Frank Craig. As a former champion he will have a 60% chance to comeback in the first year and a 30% chance in the second year.

Frank Craig 28-13-2 with 389pp. Frank Craig had a solid career but it wouldn't be noteworthy except for his battles with Tommy Ryan. He fought Ryan in December of 1907 with everyone in attendance feeling he was robbed in losing a MD15. The highly anticipated rematch offered no revenge as it was ruled a draw.

Ryan would fight 3 more times before giving Craig another chance in December of 1908 when Craig stunned the world with a first round KO of Ryan, handing Ryan his first loss and stopping Ryan's amazing 34 fight win streak, winning the MW title in the process.

He would defend the title once before losing it in March of 1909. He finished his career with 3 straight wins.

He finished with 11 Ko's and was stopped 3 times. He dropped his opponents 32 times and went down 25. His defense was strong only allowing his opponents to land 28.9% of the time over 419 rounds.

javier_83 · 06-25-2006, 09:12 PM

how do you choose a comeback?

mh2365 · 06-26-2006, 05:25 AM

random retirements get a chance to comeback the first two years. Winning records get 50-25, losing records get 30-15, former champs get 60-30.

mh2365 · 06-26-2006, 05:39 AM

On a side note, rereading this thread, I forgot to mention the complete way I do random retirements. Every fighter with 31 or more fights has a 50/50 chance of having to roll for retirement. If they have to roll then they have a 1% chance of retirement for every fight over 30. Fighters who have comeback automatically have to roll.

1 out of 9 WW's decided to hang it up. Billy Gardner will retire with a losing record so he will have a 30/15 chance of comeback.

Billy Gardner finishes 12-19-3 with 151 pp. Gardner joined the LBA in 1902 lost his first 5 fights and dropped to club. By then end of 1904 he was 1-10. The next 7 years of his career he had a record of 11-9-3, fighting mostly stiffs. His two best fights ended in draws with Kyle Whitney and Jimmy Clabby.

He only had 3 stops, but was stopped 10 times. He scored 10 kd's but was down 21 times. He was out hit (22.9-25.9) and was less accurate (30%-32.9%). Fought 248 rounds.

mh2365 · 06-26-2006, 09:04 PM

1 out of the 9 who had a chance to retire did. Austin Gibbons hung on to have a winning record so he will have a 50-25 chance of coming back.

Austin Gibbons finishes 22-21-4 with 241 pp. Gibbons was one of the original LW's and never quite lived up to his potential. Somehow as an 8 rated fighter he started out 0-5-1 and dropped to club in July of 1901. He managed to even his record out at 8-8-1 in March of 1904 to move back up. He dropped to club again in January of 1907 dropping to 10-15-1. Once again managed his way back to main in July of 1908 at 16-16-1.

He managed a couple of solid victories along the way including wins over Danny Duane and Jem Carney. He probably fought as tough of a schedule as anyone though, rarely fighting someone rated far under himself.

He finished with 13 KO's and he was stopped 11 times. He had 34 KD's and was down 24 times. He was less busy (23-31.7) and less accurate (31.3%-38.5%)

mh2365 · 06-27-2006, 05:38 AM

no one retired out of the 5 that had a chance to.

01-01-2006, 11:32 PM	#41 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	no writeups but here are the pages of 3 retired LW's __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters Last edited by mh2365 : 04-15-2007 at 07:08 PM.

03-21-2006, 10:27 AM	#42 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	First auto aging casualty HW - Jim Daly retires. He was one of the original HW's so his career last 10 years and 8 months. He dropped to 1-6 and to the club ranks in August of 1901 and fought there the rest of his career. He came close in January of 1907 he got his record to 12-13-4 but then lost two in a row and finished at 15-19-6. He fought to a draw with a TC in his last fight. His record in his last 10 was 3-5-2 so he didn't get to stick around. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters Last edited by mh2365 : 04-15-2007 at 07:07 PM.

03-21-2006, 01:21 PM	#43 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Mw - Geoffrey Thorne hangs it up after a KO win over a TC. While he still thinks he can win, he doesn't see the point of it anymore. He dropped to club in August of 1902 and stayed there the rest of the way. He came close in April of 1908 running his record to 16-17-2 but then lost 4 out of 5. His record in his last 10 fights was 4-6. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters Last edited by mh2365 : 04-15-2007 at 07:07 PM.

03-22-2006, 11:39 AM	#44 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Henry Higgans hangs it up after 9 years. He calls it quits after a loss in the club ranks to Pearce Henry. Higgans started in 1901, dropped to the club ranks in 10/03 and never made it back up. Never even got close. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters Last edited by mh2365 : 04-15-2007 at 07:07 PM.

03-23-2006, 07:02 PM	#46 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Yeah I'm a beta tester so I've been on it for a while now ... these were my first retirees but they were already at end before I switched to auto-aging. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

03-23-2006, 05:23 PM	#45 (permalink)
Jeff1787 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 469	Have you switched to auto-aging?

03-23-2006, 07:31 PM	#47 (permalink)
Jeff1787 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose Posts: 469	What are your aging step up number ranges? Mine are: 5-7 10-18 10-30 10-20 10-20 but I might change them alittle. What you think?

03-23-2006, 07:42 PM	#48 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	nothing wrong with those settings a nice 45-95 range of fights. Mine are at 5-8 15-22 20-35 5-25 5-25 which gives me a range of 50-115. Now with my post-primes and ends, if they get auto moved I check on them. If they have 6 wins in their last 10 fights I move them back to what they were, which gives them another 5-25 fights at that range. At years end in my uni I have random retirements also so not everyone goes on and on. Everyone with over 40 fights has a 50% chance of rolling for retirement. If they have to roll for it then they have a 10 + 1 % for every fight they are over 40. So a guy who has 40 fights would have a 10% chance while a guy with 52 fights would have a 22% chance. Anyone who has come out of retirement automatically rolls for it at the end of every year. So it will require some luck to get to 100 fights in my uni. Say a guy has 75 fights if he has to roll he'd have a 45% chance of retiring. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters Last edited by mh2365 : 03-23-2006 at 07:44 PM.

04-05-2006, 02:15 PM	#49 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	HW John McDermont calls it quits after almost 10 years in boxing. He decided to go out with a win over a TC. He finishes 11-25-2. He dropped to the club ranks in June of 1903 and never made it back. Came close taking his record to 6-8 and then 7-9, then he dropped 5 straight and never came close again. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters Last edited by mh2365 : 04-15-2007 at 07:07 PM.

05-04-2006, 05:43 AM	#50 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Tom Hinch calls it quits after over 10 years in boxing. Another one of the originals, Hinch finishes with a record of 11-21-4. He lost his last bout to Syd Hughes by KO5. Hinch dropped to club in March of 1904 and never got back to the main division. The closest he came was when he won to get to 10-15-2. His biggest win was early in his career when he beat William Miller by SD10 in April of 1902. * note * for the time being I'm not posting fighter texts because it screws up my game when I try to "open as XML" and then I can't open it when I try to "export as XML" __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

06-25-2006, 02:35 PM	#51 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	HW retirements end of 1910 Only 2 out of the 37 fighters who had a chance to retire did. Both fighters were part of the original group of fighters. Both will have a shot at coming back. 50% the first year, 25% the second year. Dick Egan finishes 20-19 with 151 pp. He dropped to club in 1902 with a record of 2-7, but reeled off 5 straight wins to comeback to main in late 1903. In November of 1905 he once again dropped to club with a record of 8-13. Then he evened his record out at 15-15 in 1908 to go back to the main division. He got his record to his best mark of 19-16 before losing 3 out of his last 4 fights. Egan finished with 9 KO's and he never fought for a title. He scored 26 knockdowns and tasted the canvas 17 times. He was also stopped 9 times. He fought 318 rounds in his career. He landed more punches than his opponent (25.5-23.1) but was less accurate (44.5-46.7%) George Gardner finishes 20-12-3 with only 5pp. He started out at LH and fought for the LH title twice losing once to Jack O'Brien and once to Jack Root. He was 14-7-2 as a LH. He never really found much success at HW. He never really had a signature win either. Gardner finished with 8 KO's and was stopped only twice. He went 319 rounds averaging 9.1 rounds a fight. He scored 26 kd's and was down 28 times. He out landed his opponents (23.5-21.1) and was more accurate (36.9-33.6%) __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

06-25-2006, 04:32 PM	#52 (permalink)
bigMatt All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bleeding Kansas Posts: 1,976	Seeing some familiar names among the retirees. I was wondering Mark, how big is your club level? How many TC's did you throw into club level to subsidize it? I'm thinking of doing the same thing with my uni - putting guys 5 below .500 into a club circuit that "tests" the newcomers prior to their entry into the PBF. Right now that duty is performed solely by TC's. __________________ "Trying is the first step toward failure" - Homer Simpson Love Politics but tired of the ideology debates? Check out Rumble to the White House 2008 my parallel political universe

06-25-2006, 05:09 PM	#53 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	I don't have any TC's in my uni at all, I have them in a seperate group entirely. So club is made up entirely of newcomers and poor vets. My club numbers are a little thinned right now because of my decision to let all the beginners fight TC's, pretty much guarentees they will get up to main. But I still a min of 16 in each division (except fly) So the #'s are still there. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

06-25-2006, 07:08 PM	#54 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	LHW retirements at the end of 1910 None 13 fighters had a chance to but no low #'s were rolled. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

06-25-2006, 09:09 PM	#55 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	MW retirements end of 1910 1 out of the 9 guys up for retirement retired. An orginal middleweight in Frank Craig. As a former champion he will have a 60% chance to comeback in the first year and a 30% chance in the second year. Frank Craig 28-13-2 with 389pp. Frank Craig had a solid career but it wouldn't be noteworthy except for his battles with Tommy Ryan. He fought Ryan in December of 1907 with everyone in attendance feeling he was robbed in losing a MD15. The highly anticipated rematch offered no revenge as it was ruled a draw. Ryan would fight 3 more times before giving Craig another chance in December of 1908 when Craig stunned the world with a first round KO of Ryan, handing Ryan his first loss and stopping Ryan's amazing 34 fight win streak, winning the MW title in the process. He would defend the title once before losing it in March of 1909. He finished his career with 3 straight wins. He finished with 11 Ko's and was stopped 3 times. He dropped his opponents 32 times and went down 25. His defense was strong only allowing his opponents to land 28.9% of the time over 419 rounds. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

06-25-2006, 09:12 PM	#56 (permalink)
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06-26-2006, 05:25 AM	#57 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	random retirements get a chance to comeback the first two years. Winning records get 50-25, losing records get 30-15, former champs get 60-30. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

06-26-2006, 05:39 AM	#58 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	WW retirements end of 1910 On a side note, rereading this thread, I forgot to mention the complete way I do random retirements. Every fighter with 31 or more fights has a 50/50 chance of having to roll for retirement. If they have to roll then they have a 1% chance of retirement for every fight over 30. Fighters who have comeback automatically have to roll. 1 out of 9 WW's decided to hang it up. Billy Gardner will retire with a losing record so he will have a 30/15 chance of comeback. Billy Gardner finishes 12-19-3 with 151 pp. Gardner joined the LBA in 1902 lost his first 5 fights and dropped to club. By then end of 1904 he was 1-10. The next 7 years of his career he had a record of 11-9-3, fighting mostly stiffs. His two best fights ended in draws with Kyle Whitney and Jimmy Clabby. He only had 3 stops, but was stopped 10 times. He scored 10 kd's but was down 21 times. He was out hit (22.9-25.9) and was less accurate (30%-32.9%). Fought 248 rounds. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

06-26-2006, 09:04 PM	#59 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Lightweight retirements at the end of 1910 1 out of the 9 who had a chance to retire did. Austin Gibbons hung on to have a winning record so he will have a 50-25 chance of coming back. Austin Gibbons finishes 22-21-4 with 241 pp. Gibbons was one of the original LW's and never quite lived up to his potential. Somehow as an 8 rated fighter he started out 0-5-1 and dropped to club in July of 1901. He managed to even his record out at 8-8-1 in March of 1904 to move back up. He dropped to club again in January of 1907 dropping to 10-15-1. Once again managed his way back to main in July of 1908 at 16-16-1. He managed a couple of solid victories along the way including wins over Danny Duane and Jem Carney. He probably fought as tough of a schedule as anyone though, rarely fighting someone rated far under himself. He finished with 13 KO's and he was stopped 11 times. He had 34 KD's and was down 24 times. He was less busy (23-31.7) and less accurate (31.3%-38.5%) __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

06-27-2006, 05:38 AM	#60 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	FW retirements end of 1910 no one retired out of the 5 that had a chance to. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters