Lba Retired Thread - Page 4

mh2365 · 06-27-2006, 06:05 AM

Only 1 out of the 11 who had a chance retired, and that was the fighter with the lowest chance at 2%. Danny Dougherty retires with a winning record so he will have a 50-25 chance of coming back.

Danny Dougherty finishes 16-15-1 with 45 pp. Dougherty started out in 1902 very unsuccessful. He dropped to club at 1-6 in April of 1904 and continued losing until he was 1-10. It took him 5 long years but in December of 1909 he evened his record out at 14-14-1 to move back into the main division.

His biggest win came over current champ Jimmy Briggs back in 1906. He only had two stops and was only stopped 4 times. He was knocked down 10 times and only managed 1 of his own. He landed more punches (23.6-22.3) and was more accurate (34.3 - 30.5)

mh2365 · 08-16-2006, 05:38 AM

WC McClellan retires at 17-27-5 with 104pp. McClellan was one of the originals starting out in 1900. He started out 1-6 and dropped to club in November of 1901. He never made it back to main. He put together 3 three fight win streaks but it was never enough to pull him even.

His biggest win was probably a TKO10 over Tommy Chandler. He had only 3 stops and was stopped 13 times. He was knocked down 38 times and scored only 15 knockdowns. His fights went an average of 8.1 rounds. He did land more (26.6-24.3) and was more accurate (35.9-33.3) than his opponents but it didn't translate into wins.

mh2365 · 09-20-2006, 06:08 AM

Joe Grim Retires at 13-29-1 with -301pp. Grim was one of the original fighters and actually came out of the gate fast at 4-2. Then reality set in and he lost 12 out of his next 13 fights. He dropped to club in 8/04 with a record of 5-10 and he never made it back to main. He never won 3 ini a row and never really had a win over anyone rated much higher than him.

He had 4 stops and was only stopped 7 times. He scored 9 knockdowns and hit the mat 34 times. He landed 32.4% of his punches but was hit 48.4% of the time. His average round was 9.1 though.

mh2365 · 09-26-2006, 07:07 PM

Jim Miles retires at 11-26-5 with -5pp. Miles was another of the original fighters. He started out losing and never stopped. Dropped to club in 2/03 and never made it out.

After dropping to club he won 4 out of 6 and also had two draws to go to 5-8-2, but then went 1-8-1 over his next ten. Won four in a row before dropping his final two fights to TC's and then hanging it up.

He was stopped 8 times and only had one win by stoppage. He scored 6 knockdowns and tasted canvas 19 times. He was outlanded and his opponents were far more accurate. His fights averaged 8.1 rounds.

mh2365 · 10-03-2006, 05:45 AM

LHW Morris Heffey retires at 10-28-2 with -766pp. Heffey started in 1901 and had an okay start coming out of the gates with a 3-4-1 record. He then lost his next 4 to drop to club in 08/04. He won 6 out of his next 7 to move back to main with a record of 9-9-1. From there the wheels came off as he would only win one more fight the rest of his career. Defeating Al Weinig was probably his biggest win.

He was knocked down 20 times, cut 27 and stopped 12 times. He scored 10 knock downs, 16 cuts but only 3 stoppages. He was less accurate (39-27%) and landed less than his opponents (28-21) and his fights last an average of 8.1 rounds.

mh2365 · 10-03-2006, 05:46 AM

That makes 36 currently retired fighters from the LBA

CONN CHRIS · 10-03-2006, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

That makes 36 currently retired fighters from the LBA

Still looking forward to my first.

How are you aging now? I see you mention both the auto-aging and your older system.

mh2365 · 10-03-2006, 08:22 AM

Using the auto-aging with a bit of a twist. If a post-prime or an end guy has 6 wins in their last 10 fights when they are auto moved to end or retired, I will move them back.

Also any fighter who is prime with over 40 fights will have a slim chance of moving to post at the end of every year.

mh2365 · 03-07-2007, 05:33 AM

Been a while since someone retired

mh2365 · 03-07-2007, 05:42 AM

James Jeffries retires at 42-12 with 416pp Most likely a HOF'er if he stays retired (will have a 60% chance of returning next year, 30% the year after that). Jeffries was one of the orginals and he started out strong winning his first 8 fights. He lost his 9th fight in a title bout against Peter Jackson.

He then won 15 in a row to run his record to 23-1 before losing again, this time to Dominic McCaffrey. He beat McCaffrey 10 months later in May of 1906 to win his first title. He defended it once then lost 3 straight bouts. Losing the title to John Sullivan, losing another title bout to Jack Johnson, then losing to Tom Sharkey. He'd go on to lose two more title bouts. His last fight was a loss to John Sullivan on 12/1. His biggest win was probably a KO2 over Peter Jackson in 1905.

He was knocked down 11 times in 54 fights, stopped only 3 times. He was cut 6 times. He knocked down his opponent 76 times with 38 ko's in 42 wins. He was less accurate getting hit with an astounding 55% of the punches thrown at him through out his career. But he threw and landed more than his opponents. His fights lasted only and average of 6.8 rounds.

mh2365 · 03-07-2007, 06:37 AM

Joe Butler retires at 35-9-3 with 494pp Possible HOF'er if he stays retired (60%-30%). Joe started out his career at 17-2 with losses to Mike Donovan and Jack Dempsey. He lost his first title shot to Bob Fitzsimmons in 1904. He ended up winning titles at MW and LHW. His biggest win was probably over Jack O'Brien to win the LHW title. His record in title fights was 4-4-2.

He scored 48 knockdowns and was down 32 times. He had a 15-7 edge in stoppages, 22-13 edge in cuts, only allowed his opponents to land 26.7% of their punches while landing 37.3%, and his average fight lasted 8.8 rounds.

He was scheduled to fight for the vacant IBF LHW title in January, Bob McCallister will replace him in the bout.

javier_83 · 03-07-2007, 10:59 AM

2 great figthers are now retired

Romdawg88 · 03-07-2007, 11:53 AM

Random retirement took a couple of great fighters this time but Connie should be happy that Bob McCallister is getting a title shot out of it now. So how do you decide if a fighter is a HOFer or not.

mh2365 · 03-07-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Random retirement took a couple of great fighters this time but Connie should be happy that Bob McCallister is getting a title shot out of it now. So how do you decide if a fighter is a HOFer or not.

Once they are officially retired, I will throw it up to the board and it will take an 80% vote to get in. Both of these guys will most likely come back, but when they do they have a 50/50 chance of coming back at post-prime. The random retirements at the EOY effect anyone with over 40 fights. First roll is 50/50 chance for all fighters over 40 fights. Once I get that list (there were 14 HW's) then they have a 10+#of fights chance of retiring. Jeffries had a 24% chance (which was the highest and he was the only one to roll it).

Other factors added in are +5% if they are post or end, +5% if they have retired before.

If they are a former champ they have a 60% chance of coming back after a year, 30% after 2, then they are retired. Non former champs are 40-20 on coming back. Only former champs and guys who retire at 10 wins or + above .500 will be eligible for the HOF.

Same formula is used for random post-primes at the EOY also. Random Post-Primes are worse than retirement because once they go post-prime they aren't eligilble for a comeback. Random Post-Primes took out Tom Sharkey this year.

mh2365 · 03-07-2007, 05:00 PM

Another LHW retirement!

Dan Dwyer retires at 17-22-1 with -83pp Dwyer came into boxing in 1901 and went 6-11 to drop to club in 09/05. He did win his next five fights to even out to 11-11 to jump back up to main. Next he went 1-6 to drop back to club on 11/08. He went on another 5 fight win streak to jump back up to main on 10/06 with a record of 17-17-1, then preceeded to lose his next 5 and retire rather than go back down to main. Basically he was too good for club (10-0-1) and too bad at main (7-22).

He won the knockdown battle (31/25) and the stoppage battle (9/6) and the cut battle (18/14). He wasn't very accurate though landing only 24.7% of his punches compared to getting hit with 40.8%. His fights went an average of 8.6 rounds.

CONN CHRIS · 03-07-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Random retirement took a couple of great fighters this time but Connie should be happy that Bob McCallister is getting a title shot out of it now. So how do you decide if a fighter is a HOFer or not.

mh2365 · 03-07-2007, 07:06 PM

Well hopefully Connie doesn't get his G-String in a bunch because I made a mistake and Bob doesn't get the title shot.

Man this is fun LOL

mh2365 · 03-07-2007, 07:58 PM

Tommy Chandler retires 22-23-3 with 350 PP Chandler was an orignal fighter starting in 1900 and got off to a horrible start. At one point he was 2-11-1. He had the longest stretch between club and back to main from May 1901 to October 1911. He was on a 7-0-1 streak before losing his last fight. Never really had a big win. All his stats were pretty equal: Knockdowns (34/40), stoppages (14/14), cuts (15/19), accuracy (35%/33%). Never was in a title fight.

John P Clow retires at 24-22 with 261 pp Clow another orginal fighter, lost 9 out of 10 from mid 1905 to mid 1908 to drop to club. He managed to make it back to main 08/10. He is not eligible for a comeback. Never really had a big win. Was ahead on knockdowns (27/22), stoppages (17/9) and cuts (19/17) but was lacking on accuracy (34%-40%). Average fight lasted 7.2 rounds, never fought for a title.

Rube Ferns retires at 30-15-1 with 461pp Ferns was another original but started out at WW. He was 17-8 at WW but decided to move up after 3 losses to Tommy Ryan and 2 to Peter Jackson. He got 6 shots at a title and lost all 6. His biggest win was easily a KO4 of Stanley Ketchel. He lead on all stats: knockdowns (28/21), stoppages (12/8), cuts (16/9), and accuracy (40%/29%). His average fight lasted 8.8 rounds. Will have a 40/20 chance of coming back.

George Lablanche retires at 25-19-5 with 515pp Lablanche was another original. He was one of the first to drop to club in January of 1902 at 1-6, He was back up to stay by June of 1903 at 7-7. Dan Creedon was his biggest win, and he was 0-2 in title fights. He will not be eligible for a comeback. He had far more knockdowns (46/16) and stoppages (16/6). Cuts were about even (15/14) but he failed in accuracy (30%/41%).

Romdawg88 · 03-07-2007, 08:21 PM

Where those all random retirements? Jeez, their dropping like flies at this point.

mh2365 · 03-07-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Where those all random retirements? Jeez, their dropping like flies at this point.

Yeah the #'s are gonna start going up at the end of the years now because their % is higher with more fights. 3 out of the 4 are ineligible for a comeback too.

06-27-2006, 06:05 AM	#61 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	BW retirements end of 1910 Only 1 out of the 11 who had a chance retired, and that was the fighter with the lowest chance at 2%. Danny Dougherty retires with a winning record so he will have a 50-25 chance of coming back. Danny Dougherty finishes 16-15-1 with 45 pp. Dougherty started out in 1902 very unsuccessful. He dropped to club at 1-6 in April of 1904 and continued losing until he was 1-10. It took him 5 long years but in December of 1909 he evened his record out at 14-14-1 to move back into the main division. His biggest win came over current champ Jimmy Briggs back in 1906. He only had two stops and was only stopped 4 times. He was knocked down 10 times and only managed 1 of his own. He landed more punches (23.6-22.3) and was more accurate (34.3 - 30.5) __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

08-16-2006, 05:38 AM	#62 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	WC McClellan retires WC McClellan retires at 17-27-5 with 104pp. McClellan was one of the originals starting out in 1900. He started out 1-6 and dropped to club in November of 1901. He never made it back to main. He put together 3 three fight win streaks but it was never enough to pull him even. His biggest win was probably a TKO10 over Tommy Chandler. He had only 3 stops and was stopped 13 times. He was knocked down 38 times and scored only 15 knockdowns. His fights went an average of 8.1 rounds. He did land more (26.6-24.3) and was more accurate (35.9-33.3) than his opponents but it didn't translate into wins. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

09-20-2006, 06:08 AM	#63 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Grim Retires Joe Grim Retires at 13-29-1 with -301pp. Grim was one of the original fighters and actually came out of the gate fast at 4-2. Then reality set in and he lost 12 out of his next 13 fights. He dropped to club in 8/04 with a record of 5-10 and he never made it back to main. He never won 3 ini a row and never really had a win over anyone rated much higher than him. He had 4 stops and was only stopped 7 times. He scored 9 knockdowns and hit the mat 34 times. He landed 32.4% of his punches but was hit 48.4% of the time. His average round was 9.1 though. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

09-26-2006, 07:07 PM	#64 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Miles Retires Jim Miles retires at 11-26-5 with -5pp. Miles was another of the original fighters. He started out losing and never stopped. Dropped to club in 2/03 and never made it out. After dropping to club he won 4 out of 6 and also had two draws to go to 5-8-2, but then went 1-8-1 over his next ten. Won four in a row before dropping his final two fights to TC's and then hanging it up. He was stopped 8 times and only had one win by stoppage. He scored 6 knockdowns and tasted canvas 19 times. He was outlanded and his opponents were far more accurate. His fights averaged 8.1 rounds. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

10-03-2006, 05:45 AM	#65 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Heffey retires LHW Morris Heffey retires at 10-28-2 with -766pp. Heffey started in 1901 and had an okay start coming out of the gates with a 3-4-1 record. He then lost his next 4 to drop to club in 08/04. He won 6 out of his next 7 to move back to main with a record of 9-9-1. From there the wheels came off as he would only win one more fight the rest of his career. Defeating Al Weinig was probably his biggest win. He was knocked down 20 times, cut 27 and stopped 12 times. He scored 10 knock downs, 16 cuts but only 3 stoppages. He was less accurate (39-27%) and landed less than his opponents (28-21) and his fights last an average of 8.1 rounds. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

10-03-2006, 05:46 AM	#66 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	That makes 36 currently retired fighters from the LBA __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

10-03-2006, 08:22 AM	#68 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Using the auto-aging with a bit of a twist. If a post-prime or an end guy has 6 wins in their last 10 fights when they are auto moved to end or retired, I will move them back. Also any fighter who is prime with over 40 fights will have a slim chance of moving to post at the end of every year. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

03-07-2007, 05:33 AM	#69 (permalink)
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03-07-2007, 05:42 AM	#70 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	HW retirements James Jeffries retires at 42-12 with 416pp Most likely a HOF'er if he stays retired (will have a 60% chance of returning next year, 30% the year after that). Jeffries was one of the orginals and he started out strong winning his first 8 fights. He lost his 9th fight in a title bout against Peter Jackson. He then won 15 in a row to run his record to 23-1 before losing again, this time to Dominic McCaffrey. He beat McCaffrey 10 months later in May of 1906 to win his first title. He defended it once then lost 3 straight bouts. Losing the title to John Sullivan, losing another title bout to Jack Johnson, then losing to Tom Sharkey. He'd go on to lose two more title bouts. His last fight was a loss to John Sullivan on 12/1. His biggest win was probably a KO2 over Peter Jackson in 1905. He was knocked down 11 times in 54 fights, stopped only 3 times. He was cut 6 times. He knocked down his opponent 76 times with 38 ko's in 42 wins. He was less accurate getting hit with an astounding 55% of the punches thrown at him through out his career. But he threw and landed more than his opponents. His fights lasted only and average of 6.8 rounds. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

03-07-2007, 06:37 AM	#71 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	LH retirements Joe Butler retires at 35-9-3 with 494pp Possible HOF'er if he stays retired (60%-30%). Joe started out his career at 17-2 with losses to Mike Donovan and Jack Dempsey. He lost his first title shot to Bob Fitzsimmons in 1904. He ended up winning titles at MW and LHW. His biggest win was probably over Jack O'Brien to win the LHW title. His record in title fights was 4-4-2. He scored 48 knockdowns and was down 32 times. He had a 15-7 edge in stoppages, 22-13 edge in cuts, only allowed his opponents to land 26.7% of their punches while landing 37.3%, and his average fight lasted 8.8 rounds. He was scheduled to fight for the vacant IBF LHW title in January, Bob McCallister will replace him in the bout. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters Last edited by mh2365 : 03-07-2007 at 06:39 AM.

03-07-2007, 10:59 AM	#72 (permalink)
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03-07-2007, 11:53 AM	#73 (permalink)
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 3,503	Random retirement took a couple of great fighters this time but Connie should be happy that Bob McCallister is getting a title shot out of it now. So how do you decide if a fighter is a HOFer or not. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). HBF: 2-0 (1)

03-07-2007, 05:00 PM	#75 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Another LHW retirement! Dan Dwyer retires at 17-22-1 with -83pp Dwyer came into boxing in 1901 and went 6-11 to drop to club in 09/05. He did win his next five fights to even out to 11-11 to jump back up to main. Next he went 1-6 to drop back to club on 11/08. He went on another 5 fight win streak to jump back up to main on 10/06 with a record of 17-17-1, then preceeded to lose his next 5 and retire rather than go back down to main. Basically he was too good for club (10-0-1) and too bad at main (7-22). He won the knockdown battle (31/25) and the stoppage battle (9/6) and the cut battle (18/14). He wasn't very accurate though landing only 24.7% of his punches compared to getting hit with 40.8%. His fights went an average of 8.6 rounds. __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

03-07-2007, 07:06 PM	#77 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Well hopefully Connie doesn't get his G-String in a bunch because I made a mistake and Bob doesn't get the title shot. Man this is fun LOL __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

03-07-2007, 07:58 PM	#78 (permalink)
mh2365 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,086 Warnings: 1	Middleweight retirements Tommy Chandler retires 22-23-3 with 350 PP Chandler was an orignal fighter starting in 1900 and got off to a horrible start. At one point he was 2-11-1. He had the longest stretch between club and back to main from May 1901 to October 1911. He was on a 7-0-1 streak before losing his last fight. Never really had a big win. All his stats were pretty equal: Knockdowns (34/40), stoppages (14/14), cuts (15/19), accuracy (35%/33%). Never was in a title fight. John P Clow retires at 24-22 with 261 pp Clow another orginal fighter, lost 9 out of 10 from mid 1905 to mid 1908 to drop to club. He managed to make it back to main 08/10. He is not eligible for a comeback. Never really had a big win. Was ahead on knockdowns (27/22), stoppages (17/9) and cuts (19/17) but was lacking on accuracy (34%-40%). Average fight lasted 7.2 rounds, never fought for a title. Rube Ferns retires at 30-15-1 with 461pp Ferns was another original but started out at WW. He was 17-8 at WW but decided to move up after 3 losses to Tommy Ryan and 2 to Peter Jackson. He got 6 shots at a title and lost all 6. His biggest win was easily a KO4 of Stanley Ketchel. He lead on all stats: knockdowns (28/21), stoppages (12/8), cuts (16/9), and accuracy (40%/29%). His average fight lasted 8.8 rounds. Will have a 40/20 chance of coming back. George Lablanche retires at 25-19-5 with 515pp Lablanche was another original. He was one of the first to drop to club in January of 1902 at 1-6, He was back up to stay by June of 1903 at 7-7. Dan Creedon was his biggest win, and he was 0-2 in title fights. He will not be eligible for a comeback. He had far more knockdowns (46/16) and stoppages (16/6). Cuts were about even (15/14) but he failed in accuracy (30%/41%). __________________ LBA UNIVERSE 01/08 TBCB P4P Management Image Recruiters

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03-07-2007, 08:21 PM	#79 (permalink)
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Winter Park, FL Posts: 3,503	Where those all random retirements? Jeez, their dropping like flies at this point. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). HBF: 2-0 (1)