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Old 01-15-2009, 10:35 AM   #581 (permalink)
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Coming up

George Dixon will make a fourth defence of his World Bantamweight Title. He will face Johnny Murphy, who he hammered around the ring for nine rounds in October of last year. Murphy has regained his form is the No.1 ranked contender.

December will also feature the first Golden Gloves Amateur Tournament. Madison Square will host the event on the 19th of the month.
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:52 AM   #582 (permalink)
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7th December 1893 - L Street Boxing Auditorium

MW - Dan Creedon (26-5)(24) TKO7 Denny Kelliher (13-13-1)(6)

FW - Marty McCue (11-8)(11) KO2 Patsy Haley (12-9-4)(5)

MW - Ted White (14-1-1)(12) MD10 Billy McCarthy (22-3-2)(11)

MW - Mike Lucie (11-1-0)(11) KO9 Harris Martin (11-1)(10)

Lucie (below left) announced himself to the boxing world by destroying the highly regarded and unbeaten Martin.

The knockout blows, a heavy right handed combination, were the finishing touches of a one sided power display put on by Lucie. He had Martin on the deck as early as the second round and Martin hardly got a look in thereafter.

WW - Andy Watson (15-2-1)(2) TKO4 (Inj) Billy Maber (11-3)(8)

Maber was forced to retire after apparently breaking his right wrist.

In all fairness Watson had dominated his 'crude' opponent from the opening bell. Watson planted his excellent jab on Maber with great ease, opening two nasty cuts.

There was a gulf in class between the pair.

WW - Mysterious Billy Smith (17-0)(17) TKO10 Jim Franey (12-2)(11)

Smith (below right) left it late but maintained his perfect record of stoppages.

The fight was one way traffic with Smith landing vicious hooks and rapier like combinations. Franey tried to mix it with him but enjoyed no real success.

Smith has been brought along quietly by connection's but this victory has put him in the spotlight.
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This rolls nicely Tom, I am looking forward to seeing you run a golden gloves tournament.
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Old 01-18-2009, 08:50 AM   #584 (permalink)
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This rolls nicely Tom, I am looking forward to seeing you run a golden gloves tournament.

Hi Christopher

The Golden Gloves is a good way to check the guys that are going to 'turn pro' in the near future, check out their ratings, do some research, find pics etc.

When is your universe starting up? I wish I had spent some more time getting the uni full of all the fighters before I started, can't turn back the clock now!
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Hi Christopher

The Golden Gloves is a good way to check the guys that are going to 'turn pro' in the near future, check out their ratings, do some research, find pics etc.

When is your universe starting up? I wish I had spent some more time getting the uni full of all the fighters before I started, can't turn back the clock now!
I have been collecting / collating records from about 7/8 sources on the pre-1900 fighters since last May or so. I might be ready to go in a month or two. I have combined information from Fistiana, Pugilistica, American Fistiana, Some Australian notes that Bear had access to, CBZ and spotty other stuff. I am making absolutely no attempt to determine which records are correct or not as this is a fun hobby and not a grad student dissertation. The Universe will start around 1700 and will include everyone that I have found mention of.

Until then, I live vicariously through you.
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I was a big fan of the HWs version but had none read this thread so I decided to sit down and catch up and I'm glad I did. You got some good stuff going down here Tosti.
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Old 01-18-2009, 02:26 PM   #587 (permalink)
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I was a big fan of the HWs version but had none read this thread so I decided to sit down and catch up and I'm glad I did. You got some good stuff going down here Tosti.
Thanks Rom, glad you are enjoying it.

Only another 3 and a half sim years til the Heavyweight's are back!
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:41 PM   #588 (permalink)
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12th December 1893 - Madison Square Garden

MW - Frank Taylor (8-4-1)(5) TKO9 Dick Moore (4-20-1)(1)

WW - Teddy Kelly (9-3-1)(3) UD10 Bob Allen (7-7)(2)

FW - Fred Bogan (11-2)(11) KO8 Tug Wilson (4-8-1)(1)

WW - Dick Sandall (17-1-1)(17) TKO6(cuts) Eugene Bezenah (10-2-2)(0)

MW - Fred Morris (16-0)(11) KO9 Ed Binney (14-3)(14)

Binney gave his all but always playing catch up with the smooth Morris.

Morris extended his unbeaten record by landing a crushing right uppercut just as Binney was on the offensive. Morris had landed his jab at will and had a three round advantage on the cards when the final blow landed.

World Bantamweight Title

George Dixon (31-3)(14)(Holder) V Johnny Murphy (22-3-1)(18)(#1 Ranked)

This will be the fourth defence of his crown by Dixon.

This is the third fight between the pair, with Dixon winning both. Murphy challenged Dixon in October of last year and found himself on the wrong end of a beating.

Both fighters look in excellent shape as they enter the ring.

The bookies make Dixon a 6/4 favourite.

Round 1 - Dixon draws Murphy in and lands a heavy combination, he counterpunches well and then spoils all his good work by headbutting Murphy whilst in a clinch. He is docked a point. (Even 9-9)

Round 2 - Great work from Dixon. He ships a right hand early in the round but then dominates. He lands a handful of crushing right hands, already Murphy must have the last fight on his mind. (Dixon 19-18)

Round 3 - Dixon again, he is landing far too much leather through the poor defence's of Murphy. (Dixon 29-27)

Round 4 - Dixon lands two crushing right crosses to the jaw of Murphy, who has no answers at present. (Dixon 39-36)

Round 5 - In one of the most ferocious displays seen in a World Title bout Canada's George Dixon holds onto his crown. Halfway through the round he explodes into action, landing a vicious right cross, followed by two crushing uppercut's and a hammering right cross to the body. With Murphy stumbling around the ring, Dixon swings a wild right hand which lands flush on Murphy's jaw, fight over.

Dixon (below) retains his title.
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The following boxer's handed in their license's at the end of 1893.

Bill Baxter (BW) (13-10-1)(0)
Sam Blakelock (LW) (16-4-1)(2)
Mike Daly (LW)(16-13-1)(11)
Reddy Gallagher (MW)(17-8-0)(12)
Jack Hopper (LW)(14-10-0)(12)
Tommy Warren (FW) (9-11-1)(6)
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The following young fighter's have successfully applied for their pro license.
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Golden Gloves 1893 - Madison Square Garden

Bantamweight Quarter Finals

Harry Harris (18-4-1) SD4 Joe Sturch (10-7-5)

Harry Forbes (12-5-4) D4 English Jack Walker (13-5-5)
Forbes progresses courtesy of a superior punch total (67-54)

Jack Kid Madden (19-2-2) SD4 Johnny Reagan (11-10-1)

Terry McGovern (21-1-1) TKO2 Ed Vaughn (11-10-1)

Semi Final Draw

Terry McGovern (#1) V Harry Forbes (#4)
Jack Kid Madden (#2) V Harry Harris (#3)

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Golden Gloves 1893 - Madison Square Garden

Lightweight Quarter Finals

Jimmy Reilly (16-4-3) KO3 Herman Miller (15-6-1)

Jack Goldswain (19-1-2) SD4 Frank Farley (15-6-1)

Kid McPartland (19-2-2) UD4 Patsy Sweeney (12-8-3)

Battling Nelson (23-0-0) UD4 Tim Callahan (11-8-4)

Semi Final Draw

Battling Nelson (#1) V Jimmy Reilly (#4)
Kid McPartland (#2) V Jack Goldswain (#3)
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Golden Gloves 1893 - Madison Square Garden

Middleweight Quarter Finals

Charles Goff (13-6-4) KO2 Frank Sturgeon (17-5-1)

Jewey Cook (13-7-3) D4 George Byers (11-5-7)
Cook progresses to the next round courtesy of a superior punch total (114-96)

Australian Billy Edwards (8-10-5) D4 Jack Root (15-2-6)
Edwards progresses to the next round courtesy of a superior punch total (84-78)

Tom Thomas (11-7-5) UD4 Jack Lalor (17-2-4)

Semi Final Draw

Tom Thomas (#1) V Aussie Billy Edwards (#4)
Jewey Cook (#2) V Charles Goff (#3)

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Golden Gloves 1893 - Madison Square Garden

Featherweight Quarter Finals

Jimmy Lawler (11-5-7) UD4 Brooklyn Tommy Sullivan (12-9-2)

Young Corbett II (19-3-1) UD4 Bill Irwin (14-4-5)

Dave Sullivan (16-4-3) UD4 Biddy Bishop (8-11-4)

Mike Sears (13-4-6) UD4 Eddie Santry (19-1-3)

Semi Final Draw

Dave Sullivan (#1) V Jimmy Lawler (#4)
Young Corbett II (#2) V Mike Sears (#3)
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Golden Gloves 1893 - Madison Square Garden

Welterweight Quarter Finals

Billy Gardner (14-5-2) KO4 Spike Sullivan (12-8-3)

Eddie Connolly (13-4-3) UD4 Philadelphia Tommy Ryan (14-5-3)

George Cole (19-1-2) UD4 Scaldy Bill Quinn (9-9-2)

Young Peter Jackson (20-0-3) MD4 William Payne (9-11-3)

Semi Final Draw

Young Peter Jackson (#1) V Billy Gardner (#4)
George Cole (#2) V Eddie Connolly (#3)
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Golden Gloves 1893 - Madison Square Garden

Heavyweight Quarter Finals

Harry Laing (18-4-1) KO4 Philadelphia Jack O'Brien (14-6-3)

Jimmy Elliot (16-3-3) KO2 CC Smith (11-8-4)

Theodore Van Buskirk (19-0-4) MD4 Charley Strong (14-7-3)

Black Bill (12-11-1) KO1 Jack Johnson (20-1-2)

Black Bill caused a huge upset in the Heavyweight division. Johnson, a 16 to 1 favourite before the fight, was hammering his opponent before walking in a crushing right hook, the biggest 'prospect' in the Heavyweight division was out cold before he hit the canvas.

Semi Final Draw

Theodore Van Buskirk V Harry Laing
Jimmy Elliot V Black Bill
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Black Bill (12-11-1) KO1 Jack Johnson (20-1-2)

Black Bill caused a huge upset in the Heavyweight division. Johnson, a 16 to 1 favourite before the fight, was hammering his opponent before walking in a crushing right hook, the biggest 'prospect' in the Heavyweight division was out cold before he hit the canvas.
But...how, why, when?

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I have been collecting / collating records from about 7/8 sources on the pre-1900 fighters since last May or so. I might be ready to go in a month or two. I have combined information from Fistiana, Pugilistica, American Fistiana, Some Australian notes that Bear had access to, CBZ and spotty other stuff. I am making absolutely no attempt to determine which records are correct or not as this is a fun hobby and not a grad student dissertation. The Universe will start around 1700 and will include everyone that I have found mention of.

Until then, I live vicariously through you.
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Jack Scroggins (Paperback)
by R.A. Hartley (Author), Richard Humphreys (Author)
Paperback: 140 pages
Publisher: Nimrod Press Ltd (December 1989)
ISBN-10: 1852592206
ISBN-13: 978-1852592202
Amazon is selling a used copy for $148.28

Also in this volume is an appendix by Humphreys that is a chronicle of fights that occured with descriptions. It is a good supplement to Fistiana's chronicle. Humphreys has some interesting commenmtary on some of the bouts. If a mill was 2nd rate he is very explicit. Have I sent you a copy of this already? I don't remember.
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But...how, why, when?

Good stuff btw Tom.
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Golden Gloves 1893 - Madison Square Garden

Bantamweight Semi Finals

Terry McGovern (22-1-1)(11) UD4 Harry Forbes (12-6-4)(3)

Forbes took a beating.

A ferocious third, when Forbes found himself on the deck twice, sealed the victory for the young slugger.


Harry Harris (18-4-2)(4) D4 Jack Kid Madden (19-2-3)(3)

The two technician's shared the spoils.

Harris though will meet McGovern in the Bantamweight final after landing a superior number of punches (104-87)
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