1920s HW Contenders - Page 2

Cap · 02-12-2006, 03:37 PM

alternate Capt. Bob Roper

Cap · 02-23-2006, 09:28 PM

alternate Frank Goddard British HW.

Cap · 03-04-2006, 09:52 AM

alternate for Jack Taylor, the "Nebraska Tornado" who fought from 1911 right through the twenties.

Cap · 08-18-2006, 10:18 PM

Marcel Nilles of France HW 1919-1929

Cap · 08-20-2006, 10:58 AM

Add Warren 1927-34 HW

a87star · 08-20-2006, 11:04 AM

Great pics Cap. Everyone talks about Jack dempsey in the 20's but there were a lot of good fighters around then that were not discussed as much. My favorite from that era was Paolino Udzucun, a guy that never won the title but was always a contender.

Mad Bomber · 08-20-2006, 11:29 AM

Cap, the quality of these photos are outstanding.My favorite
fighters of the era were Harry Wills and Larry Gains.

Greg

a87star · 08-20-2006, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Bomber

Cap, the quality of these photos are outstanding.My favorite
fighters of the era were Harry Wills and Larry Gains.

Greg,

I thought the black fighters of that era were largely ignored but most of them could and did beat most of the top contenders of the day. Too bad they never got title shots. IMO they were ducked due to political reasons. Also, I think Larry Gains was rated quite low in the game....A two doesn't seem to fit him. I'm interested in an opinion on that.

Cap · 08-20-2006, 10:24 PM

I have him rated considerably higher, but that may just be personal bias on my part. In my universe, Larry Gains fought for the World Title against Gene Tunney and lost. He did, however, win the Empire title, and defended it twice, before losing it on a split decision to Jock McAvoy. He had a really up and down career, much like in real life.

Cap

IceTea · 08-20-2006, 11:01 PM

He does own more than a couple impressive wins: Carnera (2), Schmeling (10), Renault (4), Godfrey (11) (DQ). He owns KO wins over many fighters with less than impressive records though many good fighters of that era had weird looking records due frequent bouts cuased by the times in which they lived. He was stopped several times, half of them late in his career.

mh2365 · 08-21-2006, 05:28 AM

I've got Gains at 7, Wills just started in my uni and is 2-0.

Mad Bomber · 08-21-2006, 11:00 AM

I would rate Gains at about an 8 or so, as has been stated
he did own a few impressive wins in his career, and suffered
almost half of his kayo losses came at the end of his career when
he was in his late thirties and early forties.

Greg

a87star · 08-21-2006, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Bomber

I would rate Gains at about an 8 or so, as has been stated
he did own a few impressive wins in his career, and suffered
almost half of his kayo losses came at the end of his career when
he was in his late thirties and early forties.

Greg

I would be inclined to agree with you Greg. He did defeat two guys that went on to become HW champ and most of the contenders of that era. The end of his career when he lost most of his fights does makes him look average. but a lot of fighters from that era that fought him said that Larry Gains gave them their toughest fights.

Cap · 08-21-2006, 10:06 PM

Here are just some of the many heavies who were rated by The Ring Magazine (and a couple that weren't) sometime during the 1920s and don't appear in this thread:

Tom Gibbons
Billy Miske
Bill Brennan
Charley Weinert
Luis Angel Firpo
Jim Maloney
Erminio Spalla
King Solomon
Ray Neyman
Kid Norfolk
Knute Hanson
Sandy Seifert
Arthur DeKuh
Tom Heeney
Victorio Campolo
Jack Dorval
Phil Scott
George Cook
Jack Delaney
Young Stribling
Otto Von Porat
Max Schmeling
Tuffy Griffiths
Primo Carnera
John Lester Johnson

I'm pretty sure most of these guys have had at least one pic posted in this forum. Not sure about Ray Neuman and Sandy Seifert.

Cap

vistaman44 · 08-23-2006, 08:45 AM

... which man is Abie Bain? This came off an auction Web site and the seller didn't designate which or name the other man ...

Cap · 08-23-2006, 11:19 AM

I think the guy in the headdress is Ace Hudkins, so the other guy must, by process of elimination, be Abie Bain.

Meanwhile, inside Cap's brain....

A phone call to the L.A. public library led me to the president of the Indians/Cavalry Photographers Association. Norman Gitt lived on a decaying street in a decaying part of town in a very large cardboard box. After a session with the rubber hose, the rubber gun and the rubber bat Gitt became more lucid and revealed that the photo had been taken in the 1940s by the notorious studio photographer Leonard Phlegm. A dose of the rubber melon directed me to the seedy offices of the Hollywood shutterbug, where I discovered his daughter Nozfulla. Rubber boots have a way of making people talk. She was no exception. She dug up a record on the picture; no name, but an address. A skip trace produced the name Bud Hudkins, so I hopped aboard an eastbound train to Chicago, transferred to a Greyhound for Philadelphia and then a hack to Pittsburgh. Turned out it was the wrong Hudkins. So retraced my steps back to California and the home of Marty Bunions, famed designer of photographic backgrounds. He was reticent at first, but the rubber milk carton loosened his tongue, and his glass eye. He remembered the background in the photo and was sure that one of the subjects was former world champion boxer Ace Hudkins.

"Which one?", I asked.
"The one on the left."
"Your left or mine."
"Depends on whether you're right-handed or not."
"No it doesn't."
I could see this was leading to a bad vaudville act. Before he could reply, I hit him with the rubber banjo case.

I knew now that if the one on my left was Ace Hudkins then the other must be that other guy we were talking about earlier. Abe something or other. Just to be sure, I looked at the photo again and read the names written at the bottom. Sure enough, that was Ace Hudkins in the Indian headdress. Case solved.

Cap

Cap · 08-23-2006, 09:13 PM

Anyone have a picture of Ray Neuman?

Cap

CONN CHRIS · 08-23-2006, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cap

Anyone have a picture of Ray Neuman?

Cap

Sorry, no Ray Neuman on ye olde hard drive. But I liked the classic Cap post!

Cap · 08-26-2006, 01:30 AM

Jamaica Kid; really a middleweight, but fought anybody.

Cap · 09-04-2006, 12:06 PM

Wayne Munn 6' 6" 230 lbs. 80" reach. Pro Wrassler who tried boxing.

02-12-2006, 03:37 PM	#21 (permalink)
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02-23-2006, 09:28 PM	#22 (permalink)
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03-04-2006, 09:52 AM	#23 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 3,994	alternate for Jack Taylor, the "Nebraska Tornado" who fought from 1911 right through the twenties. Attached Images __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

08-18-2006, 10:18 PM	#24 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 3,994	Marcel Nilles of France HW 1919-1929 Attached Images __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

08-20-2006, 10:58 AM	#25 (permalink)
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08-20-2006, 11:04 AM	#26 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 3,924	Great pics Cap. Everyone talks about Jack dempsey in the 20's but there were a lot of good fighters around then that were not discussed as much. My favorite from that era was Paolino Udzucun, a guy that never won the title but was always a contender.

08-20-2006, 11:29 AM	#27 (permalink)
Mad Bomber All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,056	Cap, the quality of these photos are outstanding.My favorite fighters of the era were Harry Wills and Larry Gains. Greg __________________ Keep on Punchin' There are three things that go on a fighter, first your reflexes go, then your chin goes, and then your friends go. Willie Pep

08-20-2006, 10:24 PM	#29 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 3,994	I have him rated considerably higher, but that may just be personal bias on my part. In my universe, Larry Gains fought for the World Title against Gene Tunney and lost. He did, however, win the Empire title, and defended it twice, before losing it on a split decision to Jock McAvoy. He had a really up and down career, much like in real life. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

08-20-2006, 11:01 PM	#30 (permalink)
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Utica, NY Posts: 6,773	He does own more than a couple impressive wins: Carnera (2), Schmeling (10), Renault (4), Godfrey (11) (DQ). He owns KO wins over many fighters with less than impressive records though many good fighters of that era had weird looking records due frequent bouts cuased by the times in which they lived. He was stopped several times, half of them late in his career. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone IFBA Philadelphia Boxing Understanding Title Bout Boxing Ratings Last edited by IceTea : 08-21-2006 at 06:11 PM.

08-21-2006, 05:28 AM	#31 (permalink)
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08-21-2006, 11:00 AM	#32 (permalink)
Mad Bomber All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,056	I would rate Gains at about an 8 or so, as has been stated he did own a few impressive wins in his career, and suffered almost half of his kayo losses came at the end of his career when he was in his late thirties and early forties. Greg __________________ Keep on Punchin' There are three things that go on a fighter, first your reflexes go, then your chin goes, and then your friends go. Willie Pep Last edited by Mad Bomber : 08-21-2006 at 11:03 AM.

08-21-2006, 10:06 PM	#34 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 3,994	Here are just some of the many heavies who were rated by The Ring Magazine (and a couple that weren't) sometime during the 1920s and don't appear in this thread: Tom Gibbons Billy Miske Bill Brennan Charley Weinert Luis Angel Firpo Jim Maloney Erminio Spalla King Solomon Ray Neyman Kid Norfolk Knute Hanson Sandy Seifert Arthur DeKuh Tom Heeney Victorio Campolo Jack Dorval Phil Scott George Cook Jack Delaney Young Stribling Otto Von Porat Max Schmeling Tuffy Griffiths Primo Carnera John Lester Johnson I'm pretty sure most of these guys have had at least one pic posted in this forum. Not sure about Ray Neuman and Sandy Seifert. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.." Last edited by Cap : 08-21-2006 at 10:57 PM.

08-23-2006, 08:45 AM	#35 (permalink)
vistaman44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Auxvasse, Mo. Posts: 3,081	Cap, do you know ... ... which man is Abie Bain? This came off an auction Web site and the seller didn't designate which or name the other man ... Attached Images __________________ ---Mark (vistaman44) "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters, compared to what lies within us." — Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, philosopher and poet (1803-1882) ----------------------------------- Currently operating 1980s JM-HW, 1940s, African, 1980s LW and women's boxing universes

08-23-2006, 11:19 AM	#36 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 3,994	I think the guy in the headdress is Ace Hudkins, so the other guy must, by process of elimination, be Abie Bain. Meanwhile, inside Cap's brain.... A phone call to the L.A. public library led me to the president of the Indians/Cavalry Photographers Association. Norman Gitt lived on a decaying street in a decaying part of town in a very large cardboard box. After a session with the rubber hose, the rubber gun and the rubber bat Gitt became more lucid and revealed that the photo had been taken in the 1940s by the notorious studio photographer Leonard Phlegm. A dose of the rubber melon directed me to the seedy offices of the Hollywood shutterbug, where I discovered his daughter Nozfulla. Rubber boots have a way of making people talk. She was no exception. She dug up a record on the picture; no name, but an address. A skip trace produced the name Bud Hudkins, so I hopped aboard an eastbound train to Chicago, transferred to a Greyhound for Philadelphia and then a hack to Pittsburgh. Turned out it was the wrong Hudkins. So retraced my steps back to California and the home of Marty Bunions, famed designer of photographic backgrounds. He was reticent at first, but the rubber milk carton loosened his tongue, and his glass eye. He remembered the background in the photo and was sure that one of the subjects was former world champion boxer Ace Hudkins. "Which one?", I asked. "The one on the left." "Your left or mine." "Depends on whether you're right-handed or not." "No it doesn't." I could see this was leading to a bad vaudville act. Before he could reply, I hit him with the rubber banjo case. I knew now that if the one on my left was Ace Hudkins then the other must be that other guy we were talking about earlier. Abe something or other. Just to be sure, I looked at the photo again and read the names written at the bottom. Sure enough, that was Ace Hudkins in the Indian headdress. Case solved. Cap Attached Images __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.." Last edited by Cap : 08-23-2006 at 09:11 PM.

08-23-2006, 09:13 PM	#37 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 3,994	Anyone have a picture of Ray Neuman? Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

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08-26-2006, 01:30 AM	#39 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 3,994	Jamaica Kid; really a middleweight, but fought anybody. Attached Images __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

09-04-2006, 12:06 PM	#40 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 3,994	Wayne Munn 6' 6" 230 lbs. 80" reach. Pro Wrassler who tried boxing. Attached Images __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."