Cleaning up my fighter ratins.

IceTea · 06-08-2007, 09:44 PM

Due to the recent sale of TB, I'm going to clean up my fighter ratings.....3pt 2pt punches issued based on punching power and the clinching, ring movement, and punches missed rating. This should take a few weeks (850) files, so I will not be rating anything in the meantime. When I'm finished, I'll send the finished product to cornerwork and make an announcement.

MJ

hamed · 06-08-2007, 11:08 PM

So no Herman Ngoudou or Jean Pascal ratings from you?

mh2365 · 06-08-2007, 11:12 PM

Vista gave a rating of Ngoudjo but he has him at a 4 .. I'd probably put him at a high 6 low 7 after his last two performances.

vistaman44 · 06-09-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Vista gave a rating of Ngoudjo but he has him at a 4 .. I'd probably put him at a high 6 low 7 after his last two performances.

I've said before I'm a little hesitant to rate active figthers because the ratings are only close to accurate until their next fight. I have no ego on this (Tea and I have talked about it several times). Once they're out there, remake them however you like. I just rate them because I want them in my universe, and share them to give something back to the community. I prefer to rate guys who are done because I don't have to go back and re-rate them! Anyone who wants to update is more than welcome!

IceTea · 06-09-2007, 12:36 AM

I've chatted with Mark several times about rating fighters. I have, by accident, re-rated some of his. It is far easier to rate a fighter after his career is complete.

I'm not sure about the fighters on ESPN2 tonight. I don't like to think of an overall rating when creating someone. As I've stated earlier, I just fill-in the blanks and get what I get. I wasn't overly impressed with either....Herman Ngoudjo has a few nice names on his record and Bailey does just enough to lose in the big fights. I would give Ngoudjo a nice FO rating and a -2 def not much in aggression around a 5/6 power number. Bailey is on the way down and is rated in the game.

IceTea · 06-09-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hamed

So no Herman Ngoudou or Jean Pascal ratings from you?

I think someone has accomplished both. Do a search of this forum to locate.

a87star · 06-09-2007, 01:11 AM

Ngoudjo needs to be more aggressive but he does have nice defense. I can see him being a top fighter at JWW if he stops being so patient. Bailey is quite shopworn and him winning his last seven fights was basically on hand picked opponents. He still looks for the one big shot and I don't see the improvement in him as fighter like he and his camp claims.

Pascal uses his talent and speed to win fights but his technical ability is quite raw for a guy who spent a substancial amount of time as an amateur. At this point, Bute is the better SMW prospect.

IceTea · 06-09-2007, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamed

So no Herman Ngoudou or Jean Pascal ratings from you?

Maybe I can accomplish them on Sunday night.

MJ

mh2365 · 06-09-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by vistaman44

I've said before I'm a little hesitant to rate active figthers because the ratings are only close to accurate until their next fight. I have no ego on this (Tea and I have talked about it several times). Once they're out there, remake them however you like. I just rate them because I want them in my universe, and share them to give something back to the community. I prefer to rate guys who are done because I don't have to go back and re-rate them! Anyone who wants to update is more than welcome!

No disrespect meant. You did rate him before he got robbed against Castillo and beat Bailey. You are correct rating them during their career is tough.

vistaman44 · 06-09-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

No disrespect meant. You did rate him before he got robbed against Castillo and beat Bailey. You are correct rating them during their career is tough.

Just time for the occasional disclaimer ... LOL!

IceTea · 06-09-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

No disrespect meant. You did rate him before he got robbed against Castillo and beat Bailey. You are correct rating them during their career is tough.

I thought Castillo won by a round but the fight was close. He is a quality fighter. Vistaman44 might have rated him. I can't locate him anywhere.

MJ

vistaman44 · 06-09-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

I thought Castillo won by a round but the fight was close. He is a quality fighter. Vistaman44 might have rated him. I can't locate him anywhere.

MJ

... link, MJ: Out of Africa

Feel free to tweak/update. I agree he should be higher-rated, based on the last two ...

mh2365 · 06-09-2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceTea

I thought Castillo won by a round but the fight was close. He is a quality fighter. Vistaman44 might have rated him. I can't locate him anywhere.

MJ

I guess he wasn't robbed found my score card from the fight and had it 6-5-1 Castillo

Funny how your memory changes over time LOL.

a87star · 06-09-2007, 02:07 PM

Ngoudjo/Castillo was a very close fight. I recall Mike calling Herman "Joe Nobody"

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All kidding aside, Ngoudjo is a good fighter who should be a world champion at some point in his career. I think he would have beaten Bailey soundly if he wasn't so concerned with his power and came forward just a little bit more.

IceTea · 06-09-2007, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vistaman44

... link, MJ: Out of Africa

Feel free to tweak/update. I agree he should be higher-rated, based on the last two ...

* Thanks bro

IceTea · 06-09-2007, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a87star

Ngoudjo/Castillo was a very close fight. I recall Mike calling Herman "Joe Nobody"

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All kidding aside, Ngoudjo is a good fighter who should be a world champion at some point in his career. I think he would have beaten Bailey soundly if he wasn't so concerned with his power and came forward just a little bit more.

* good call

hamed · 06-09-2007, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceTea

Maybe I can accomplish them on Sunday night.

MJ

Thanks MJ, I search for those too. I like various rankings from different raters.

I have Miranda at a 6, 8 & 9.

Jim_Kidd · 06-10-2007, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vistaman44

I've said before I'm a little hesitant to rate active figthers because the ratings are only close to accurate until their next fight. I have no ego on this (Tea and I have talked about it several times). Once they're out there, remake them however you like. I just rate them because I want them in my universe, and share them to give something back to the community. I prefer to rate guys who are done because I don't have to go back and re-rate them! Anyone who wants to update is more than welcome!

Even the Trunzo's re-rated fighters as they went. Retired fighters, too. Not just active ones. I agree, it's great just to have these fighters active in a boxing universe. Changing, tweaking, etc. is just part of the fun.

I started creating fighters back in the card days with the board game. These days, I re-rate fighters based upon old articles, books, old fight accounts and IBHOF (International Boxing Hall of Fame) info. It's a slow process and if it weren't for the rest of you guys creating fighters, my universe would be about 25% smaller and a lot less exciting.

bdennis2 · 06-10-2007, 09:54 PM

it would be nice to get a team of 5 or 6 to rate some of the fighters that OOTP team dosn't rate and the 5 or 6 different ratings be added to gather and come with one composit rating. have a good day. Bill

IceTea · 06-10-2007, 11:24 PM

I forgot to mention, that Rocco along with the others that I have mentioned, does an outstanding job creating fighters for the game.

MJ

06-08-2007, 09:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Hartford, NY Posts: 8,918 Thanks: 258 Thanked 324x in 236 posts	Cleaning up my fighter ratins. Due to the recent sale of TB, I'm going to clean up my fighter ratings.....3pt 2pt punches issued based on punching power and the clinching, ring movement, and punches missed rating. This should take a few weeks (850) files, so I will not be rating anything in the meantime. When I'm finished, I'll send the finished product to cornerwork and make an announcement. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone IFBA Philadelphia Boxing Fighterlist Boxrec Ross Boxing

06-09-2007, 12:36 AM	#5 (permalink)
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Hartford, NY Posts: 8,918 Thanks: 258 Thanked 324x in 236 posts	I've chatted with Mark several times about rating fighters. I have, by accident, re-rated some of his. It is far easier to rate a fighter after his career is complete. I'm not sure about the fighters on ESPN2 tonight. I don't like to think of an overall rating when creating someone. As I've stated earlier, I just fill-in the blanks and get what I get. I wasn't overly impressed with either....Herman Ngoudjo has a few nice names on his record and Bailey does just enough to lose in the big fights. I would give Ngoudjo a nice FO rating and a -2 def not much in aggression around a 5/6 power number. Bailey is on the way down and is rated in the game. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone IFBA Philadelphia Boxing Fighterlist Boxrec Ross Boxing

06-10-2007, 11:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Hartford, NY Posts: 8,918 Thanks: 258 Thanked 324x in 236 posts	I forgot to mention, that Rocco along with the others that I have mentioned, does an outstanding job creating fighters for the game. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone IFBA Philadelphia Boxing Fighterlist Boxrec Ross Boxing

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06-08-2007, 11:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	So no Herman Ngoudou or Jean Pascal ratings from you?

06-08-2007, 11:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3x in 3 posts Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Vista gave a rating of Ngoudjo but he has him at a 4 .. I'd probably put him at a high 6 low 7 after his last two performances.

06-09-2007, 01:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,845 Thanks: 110 Thanked 20x in 16 posts	Ngoudjo needs to be more aggressive but he does have nice defense. I can see him being a top fighter at JWW if he stops being so patient. Bailey is quite shopworn and him winning his last seven fights was basically on hand picked opponents. He still looks for the one big shot and I don't see the improvement in him as fighter like he and his camp claims. Pascal uses his talent and speed to win fights but his technical ability is quite raw for a guy who spent a substancial amount of time as an amateur. At this point, Bute is the better SMW prospect.

06-09-2007, 02:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,845 Thanks: 110 Thanked 20x in 16 posts	Ngoudjo/Castillo was a very close fight. I recall Mike calling Herman "Joe Nobody" . All kidding aside, Ngoudjo is a good fighter who should be a world champion at some point in his career. I think he would have beaten Bailey soundly if he wasn't so concerned with his power and came forward just a little bit more.

06-10-2007, 09:54 PM	#19 (permalink)
bdennis2 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 241 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1x in 1 post	it would be nice to get a team of 5 or 6 to rate some of the fighters that OOTP team dosn't rate and the 5 or 6 different ratings be added to gather and come with one composit rating. have a good day. Bill