Corinthians

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Joseph Line "The Fighting Miller" HW boxer 1 England
born Hadley, Hertfordshire
home Hitchin
1746-1753 approximate dates for career
1747-08-26 L vs John James 10 guineas at Broughtons's - Line's London debut
1747-10-14 scheduled rematch vs. James 20 pounds (George Taylor agreed to second Line)
1748-07 scheduled vs. Ned Hunt (Hunt a far more seasoned fighter)
1750 possibly indicted for triple assault
1752-03 Cheltenham Thomas Cook (veteran with a win vs. Ned Hunt and over Joe James)
1752-03 Joshua Hawkins (8 year vet) scheduled at Broughton's several years after its purported closing!

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Jack Slack HW slugger 4 England
1743-1760
Champion who beat Broughton

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Coachman William Slann HW boxer 3 England
1733-1742 estimated dates (an undefeated pugilist when billed vs. Boswell)
1738-Winter billed vs. Prince Boswell

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Tom Smallwood HW boxer 3 England
1741-1758
Broughton era pugilist

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[CONN CHRIS]

You've touched on everyone that I had listed and quite a few more Don. I so appreciate this, it saves me lots and lots of time that I had planned to fritter away in late August!

[bear]

We're at the late 1750's now with all of the posted fighters. At the moment I've posted everyone I've created so far. I have a list of additional names and notes working toward 1785 and the fighters recorded in Fistiana. Shouldn't be seeing too many more of the older Prize Fighters anymore now. (There is one other family of fencers that ran an English fencing school that featured sparring that we have yet to see) There is, also, an Encyclopedia of Fencing that I may buy, just to see if it mentions any known Prize Fighters that I may have missed. The summer semester ends tomrrow and I'll be off for two weeks before Fall's faculty development week brings us all back. Should be able to finish off my "to do list" of pugs. The two weeks off isn't all that wonderful. We begin with colonoscopies for the family and also have a pending tooth extraction.

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[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by bear

The two weeks off isn't all that wonderful. We begin with colonoscopies for the family and also have a pending tooth extraction.

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Ah, good times!

All the best to you Don.

[bear]

JUst noticed my ratings for Tom Pipes and Tom Pipes Allen have incorrect cinching and PM numbers. Shululd be around 72 - 63

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Jim Hull
Reported by Dick Johnson as a 1720 opponent of Fames Figg
See Bare Fist Fighters of the 18th and 19th century 1704-1861

Jim Hull HW boxer 0

[Tosti]

Hi Bear

I'm in the process of setting up a bare knuckle uni, this thread has been a great resource.

Cheers

Tom

[bear]

Thanks, Tom
You have the files that I created. All are in this thread.
Other sources are John Dewey's posted fighters and Christopher's Royal Explorers threads.
Chris uses template files that I've found helpful to create a group that can fight on fairly even terms.
Chris also uses a spread sheet in his fighter creation. He sent me a copy a while back. Don't know how up to date it is, given his latest work.

I've got tons of files with notes and so forth for fighters I haven't gotten around to creating yet. It will take me a while to get all of it organized, but I can get it together and send it to you if you wish.

[bear]

At some point during my fighter creation I opted to use "Hooks", a punch that didn't come into real use until Gentleman Jim Corbett, to reflect damage from tactics such as throws and holding your opponents head in chancery

[John Dewey]

I think I've said this before elsewhere. I sort of consider pre 1890s hooks to be body shots. The alternative is to redistribute all the points for hooks in the stats to other punches which really doesn't have any affect on the game anyway. I personally redistribute combination stats but there's really no reason except for cosmetic purposes. Also, the uppercut didn't exist before 1800.

[Tosti]

Have you seen these two?

Internet Archive: Free Download: Fights for the championship : the men and their times



Internet Archive: Free Download: Fights for the championship : the men and their times

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William "Nobby" Clark
1860-1865
born 1840
Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
died 1917-11-17
106 lbs
FW
1971 indctee in Ring Magazine Boxing Hall of Fame
Nat Loubet in the April, 1972 Ring article on his induction rported that he came to the US in 1859
1860 scheduled vs. John Keating, American FW title claiment, fell through
1860 KO'd Jimmy Elliot 34 rounds, 1 hour and 2 minutes. $30 prize
beat Denny Harrington 3 hours, 15 minutes. $200 prize
1865-07-25 scheduled vs. Keating in Cincinnati with $1,000 side bet
bout fell through when Keating was arrested
reported to have been undefeated in over 30 fights
often gave weight, sometimes 40 lbs to opponents
retired in 1865

William "Nobby" Clark FW boxer 5

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Barney Aaron
1819-1834
born 1800-11-21
Aldgate, England
died age 50 Whitechapel, London
LW
1819 W William Connelly 16 vrounds
L Manny Lyons 75 minutes
1823-03-19 L vs Tom Collins (Aaron dominated fight but retired due to arm injury) 30 minutes
4 wins
1824 KO'd by Arthur Matthewson in 57 rounds
1827 KO'd by Dick Curtis in 55 minutes

Barney Aaron LW slugger 3

[John Dewey]

Thanks Bear for posting Barney Aaron. I've wanted to rate him for years but never had enough info to do it. (Rated his son though).

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John
After my trip to Canastota I decided to rate all members of boxing's four halls of fame: Helms/Citizen's Savings, Ring Magazine, IBHOF, WBHOF. Had to dig out the Ring Magazine that treated Nobby Clark's induction to find out info about him.