Fighters: Debuting 1950 to 1959 - Page 6

CONN CHRIS · 10-06-2006, 12:28 PM

Bob Butcher - 044867

HW 1956-1958
22(15)-1-0
Osage, Wyoming

bigMatt · 10-06-2006, 01:39 PM

Jose Gonzalez Sales - 028307
1950-1964
HW (Spain)
32-35-6(14)

Ratings and commentary (repost from Rocco Del Sisto)

Ok, last retest, Sales. I was VERY surprised how overall my original ratings seemed to work. The only changes I made were his Chin KDown form 5 to 4 and decreased both Punching and CPunching from 36 to 34. I ran about 1300 fights in sets of 69 bouts against HW's rated 1-5 picked by the Autoscheduler. I ended with an average record per 69 fights fo 31w/33L/5D with 14KO's by Sales and 14stoppages of him. All numbers pretty darn close to his real ones. The random picks of opponents made thing vary abit. A good number of the 69 bout sims his record was pretty darn close to real numbers though.

With this I now got retested everybody I wanted and will get back on track of my replay of Zech with Belgium, Alain Cherville due up next.

Jose Gonzalez Sales-2 Overall Rating
Nationality- Spain
b. 1929-03-11
d.
Career, 1950-64
BoxRec. 028307
Record 29 wins / 36 losses / 4 draws / 14 KO
Sales is Zech's first opponent of any real accomplishment in his career. Sales was the Spanish HW Title holder from Aug. 1952 to Dec. 1957. He fought against Mariano Echevarria twice in 1961 trying to regain the crown loosing both times in 12 round decisions. In his 2nd to last fight of his career he tried again for the Spanish title loosing to a Benito Canal. Sales fought a number of noteable European HW's in his career, unfortunately with mostly bad results, thus his sub .500 record and low 2 rating. Zech's first non 1 rated opponent though. Sales drew with Willi Besmanoff and then lost a decision to him. He was TKO'd in 3 by Brian London. He beat Franco Cavicchi twice. Lost an 8 round deicision to Albert Westphal, a 10 round decision to Sante Amonti and lost other fights to Joe Erskine, Zech, Karl Mildenberger, Billy Walker and Johnny Prescott.

Control vs Boxer--6
Control vs Slugger--6
Hitting power--5
Chin vs knockdown--4
Chin vs knockout--2
Recovery--2
Cuts--3
Absorb punishment--2
Killer instinct--4
Aggressiveness--7
Endurance--7
Defense--4
Fast starter--3
Fight on ropes--2

Draw power--6
Conditioning--2
Intellect--3
Proficiency--10

Fight inside--1
Outside--1
Cover up--1
Go for KO--0
Clinching--71

Style--Boxer
Fouls--Seldom

Punches 2-pt. 3-pt.
Jabs 18.00 0.00
Hooks 25.75 0.00
Crosses 16.50 0.00
Combinations 21.50 0.00
Uppercuts 18.25 0.00

Punching--34
Counterpunching--34
Missed--62

bigMatt · 10-06-2006, 02:29 PM

George "Scrap Iron" Johnson - 000115
1958-1975
HW (US)
21-25-5(10)

Romultiltus · 10-06-2006, 07:25 PM

Plinio Scarabellin - 034917
1958-1963
HW (Italy)
28-5 (21)

Romultiltus · 10-06-2006, 07:42 PM

Dennis Adams - 074132
1954-1969
FLY (South Africa)
22-21 (18)

Romultiltus · 10-06-2006, 07:54 PM

Rino Borra - 101412
1958-1962
WW (Italy)
10-8-1 (5)

CONN CHRIS · 10-06-2006, 10:12 PM

Jose Stable - 011392

WW 1959-1967
27(10)-12-2
La Maya, Cuba

CONN CHRIS · 10-06-2006, 10:17 PM

Marcus Temple - 168984

FLY 1950-1955
16(6)-5-1
Durban, South Africa

CONN CHRIS · 10-06-2006, 10:24 PM

Willie Toweel - 011384

LW 1953-1960
46(23)-6-2
Benoni, South Africa

CONN CHRIS · 10-06-2006, 10:31 PM

Jake Tuli - 030246

FLY 1950-1967
31(18)-14-2
Johannesburg, South Africa

CONN CHRIS · 10-06-2006, 11:00 PM

Piet van Klaveren - 069982

LW 1950-1960
32(6)-6-3
Rotterdam, Netherlands

CONN CHRIS · 10-06-2006, 11:16 PM

Coley Wallace - 010361

HW 1950-1956
20(15)-7-0
Jacksonville, Florida

bear · 10-07-2006, 10:54 AM

Willie Toweel (alternate)
id=11384
1953 - 1960
Sex Male
Nationality South African
Birth Name William Toweel
Hometown Johannesburg
Birthplace Benoni
Division Lightweight
Date of Birth 1934-04-06
W 46 (23 ko's) | L 6 | D 2 | Total 54

bear · 10-07-2006, 11:22 AM

Hilario Morales Mexican MW 1957-1966 (rated by David Myers)
id=17375
Sex Male
Nationality Mexican
Alias Handsome Hilario
Hometown Mexico City, DF
Division Middleweight
W 35 (22 ko's) | L 30 | D 4 | Total 69

CONN CHRIS · 10-07-2006, 03:23 PM

Edouard Ptak - 020872

LW 1952-1960
43(12)-19-2
Berlin, Germany

CONN CHRIS · 10-07-2006, 03:39 PM

Dick Turner - 025088

WW 1959-1964
19(11)-2-1
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

CONN CHRIS · 10-08-2006, 08:40 AM

Jean Hoeffler - 101637

WW 1955-1962
3(1)-14-1
Belgium

Romultiltus · 10-08-2006, 10:16 AM

Dave Coventry - 021266
1959-1975
LW (UK)
38-10-1 (20)

Romultiltus · 10-08-2006, 10:31 AM

Assane Fakyh - 030278
1955-1970
JMW (Lebanon)
8-37-5 (1)

Romultiltus · 10-08-2006, 10:43 AM

Gary Garafola - 044384
1952-1956
LHW (USA)
15-8-2 (8)

10-06-2006, 12:28 PM	#101 (permalink)
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10-06-2006, 01:39 PM	#102 (permalink)
bigMatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,353 Thanks: 13 Thanked 11x in 5 posts	Jose Gonzalez Sales (repost) - Lee Skye Jose Gonzalez Sales - 028307 1950-1964 HW (Spain) 32-35-6(14) Ratings and commentary (repost from Rocco Del Sisto) Ok, last retest, Sales. I was VERY surprised how overall my original ratings seemed to work. The only changes I made were his Chin KDown form 5 to 4 and decreased both Punching and CPunching from 36 to 34. I ran about 1300 fights in sets of 69 bouts against HW's rated 1-5 picked by the Autoscheduler. I ended with an average record per 69 fights fo 31w/33L/5D with 14KO's by Sales and 14stoppages of him. All numbers pretty darn close to his real ones. The random picks of opponents made thing vary abit. A good number of the 69 bout sims his record was pretty darn close to real numbers though. With this I now got retested everybody I wanted and will get back on track of my replay of Zech with Belgium, Alain Cherville due up next. Jose Gonzalez Sales-2 Overall Rating Nationality- Spain b. 1929-03-11 d. Career, 1950-64 BoxRec. 028307 Record 29 wins / 36 losses / 4 draws / 14 KO Sales is Zech's first opponent of any real accomplishment in his career. Sales was the Spanish HW Title holder from Aug. 1952 to Dec. 1957. He fought against Mariano Echevarria twice in 1961 trying to regain the crown loosing both times in 12 round decisions. In his 2nd to last fight of his career he tried again for the Spanish title loosing to a Benito Canal. Sales fought a number of noteable European HW's in his career, unfortunately with mostly bad results, thus his sub .500 record and low 2 rating. Zech's first non 1 rated opponent though. Sales drew with Willi Besmanoff and then lost a decision to him. He was TKO'd in 3 by Brian London. He beat Franco Cavicchi twice. Lost an 8 round deicision to Albert Westphal, a 10 round decision to Sante Amonti and lost other fights to Joe Erskine, Zech, Karl Mildenberger, Billy Walker and Johnny Prescott. Control vs Boxer--6 Control vs Slugger--6 Hitting power--5 Chin vs knockdown--4 Chin vs knockout--2 Recovery--2 Cuts--3 Absorb punishment--2 Killer instinct--4 Aggressiveness--7 Endurance--7 Defense--4 Fast starter--3 Fight on ropes--2 Draw power--6 Conditioning--2 Intellect--3 Proficiency--10 Fight inside--1 Outside--1 Cover up--1 Go for KO--0 Clinching--71 Style--Boxer Fouls--Seldom Punches 2-pt. 3-pt. Jabs 18.00 0.00 Hooks 25.75 0.00 Crosses 16.50 0.00 Combinations 21.50 0.00 Uppercuts 18.25 0.00 Punching--34 Counterpunching--34 Missed--62 Attached Images

10-06-2006, 02:29 PM	#103 (permalink)
bigMatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,353 Thanks: 13 Thanked 11x in 5 posts	George "Scrap Iron" Johnson (repost) - Cap George "Scrap Iron" Johnson - 000115 1958-1975 HW (US) 21-25-5(10) Attached Images

10-06-2006, 07:25 PM	#104 (permalink)
Romultiltus Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: East Haven, CT Posts: 16,815 Thanks: 13 Thanked 550x in 494 posts	Plinio Scarabellin (repost) Conn Chris Plinio Scarabellin - 034917 1958-1963 HW (Italy) 28-5 (21) Attached Images

10-06-2006, 07:42 PM	#105 (permalink)
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10-06-2006, 07:54 PM	#106 (permalink)
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10-06-2006, 10:12 PM	#107 (permalink)
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10-06-2006, 10:17 PM	#108 (permalink)
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10-06-2006, 10:24 PM	#109 (permalink)
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10-06-2006, 10:31 PM	#110 (permalink)
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10-06-2006, 11:00 PM	#111 (permalink)
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10-06-2006, 11:16 PM	#112 (permalink)
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10-07-2006, 10:54 AM	#113 (permalink)
bear Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 10,962 Thanks: 113 Thanked 1,388x in 1,029 posts	Willie Toweel repost IceTea Willie Toweel (alternate) id=11384 1953 - 1960 Sex Male Nationality South African Birth Name William Toweel Hometown Johannesburg Birthplace Benoni Division Lightweight Date of Birth 1934-04-06 W 46 (23 ko's) \| L 6 \| D 2 \| Total 54 Attached Images

10-07-2006, 11:22 AM	#114 (permalink)
bear Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 10,962 Thanks: 113 Thanked 1,388x in 1,029 posts	Hilario Morales repost Conn Chris Hilario Morales Mexican MW 1957-1966 (rated by David Myers) id=17375 Sex Male Nationality Mexican Alias Handsome Hilario Hometown Mexico City, DF Division Middleweight W 35 (22 ko's) \| L 30 \| D 4 \| Total 69 Attached Images

10-07-2006, 03:23 PM	#115 (permalink)
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10-07-2006, 03:39 PM	#116 (permalink)
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10-08-2006, 08:40 AM	#117 (permalink)
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10-08-2006, 10:16 AM	#118 (permalink)
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10-08-2006, 10:43 AM	#120 (permalink)
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