Problem? Not sure but

[chaleyit]

I do have some concerns. It seems that fighters with a one in the cut rating are getting cut too often. For example Muhammad Ali has lost three fights due to cuts, totally inaccurate. This happens quite a bit as Rubin Carter lost on cuts to Rocky Grac, er Grac, er Rocky G :-) Also I am seeing too many fights where a fighter with a very low control rating and low punch accuracy rating is controlling the fight and beating a fighter with a much higher control factor and punch accuracy rating. An example of this is Thomas Hearns dominating the fight with Sugar Ray Robinson. That is just one example but it seems to be happening a lot. I am concerned about the true randomness of the random number generator if indeed the game still plays like the old board game.
I am still enjoying the game emmensely but it would seem that that TF2001 was more accurate in some areas. Is this just my perception?

Chaley

[Andreas Raht]

We'll check it!

[Mark42661]

Chaleyit,

As far as your concern about fighters with lower control and punches landed ratings dominating, I'm just not seeing this. Using the autoscheduler, I fought Robinson against Hearns 100 times and Robinson won 68 and Hearns won 28 with 4 draws. This appears to be about right. This game would be pretty boring if Robinson would beat Hearns 100% of the time just because his ratings are better. Part of the beauty of this simulation is that there can be upsets, etc...just as in real life.

[chaleyit]

Hey Mark;

I understand that there are upsets. This is why I worded my post the way I did. However when not using Auto Scheduler, but using the Fight Cards, I am running into - what seems to be - an inordinate number of upsets. Again I am not saying this is a definate fact. But I appreciate your input and it may just be the case.

Chaley

[chaleyit]

II just completed some comparisons to the old Titlefight and the new TitleBout. Now before I start let me say that I am a satisfied customer and that I would purchase the game again in a heartbeat. I have found some things that - to me - have caused some inaccuracies in how the boxers perform. Or more accurately differences between TF and TB. I wrote earlier that Muhammad Ali seems to be getting cut more than normal around the eye. Actually the stoppages are due to swelling around the eye. He as lost four fight because of that and I do not think that is an accurate portrayal of his performances. I followed Mark's lead and compared 100 scheduled bouts between Ali and Joe Louis in both games. There is definitely a greater propensity for Ali to have eye problems in the new game. There is also less of a chance for him to win in the new game. While Ali won 53% of the TF bouts, he dropped to 39% in TB. He was stopped due to cuts four times in TF, and that held true in TB. The discrepancy came in the total TKO. Louis only scored 9 TKO in TF compared to 33 in TB. That is a dramatic increase. (I am using the Ali that is Rated as a 15 in TB and the one rated 15 in TF). Of these stoppages 29 were due to eye swelling and that to me is totally inaccurate based on Ali's known performances. There were no stoppages due to swelling in RF. It seems that the scale has been tipped in favor of Joe Louis. Ali was even disqualified once. You dropped Ali's control factor considerably. I liked it better when the odds were more even. Now the results are too predicatable. Of course I cannot say for a fact that the percentage of wins is inaccurate because we will - in fact - never know.

I then did the same thing with Ray Robinson and Carlos Monzon. Again there is a significant difference between the two games. Where the two fighters (middle weights) were practically even in TF 47-46 Robinson, with seven draws, there is a big disparity in TB, 39-54 Monzon with seven draws. Robinson was stopped 17 times in TF and twice as many in TB. Also the number of stoppages due to eye swelling increased from 8 to 18 for Robinson and from 8 to 15 for Monzon. In my opinion there are just too many fights being decided by swelling for all fighters. It was just more noticable for me with Ali and Robinson as these are fighters I am more apt to pay attention to. With the advent of the database transfer tool this is a non issue. Even without the tool I would purchase the game any way because it is that good. I see this as a flaw, but you did so many things right until it is not major in my book. I can work around it, and go with the flow. I just wanted to present you with some empirical data

Chaley

[chaleyit]

I neglected to mention that stoppages of Joe Louis due to swelling increased from 5 in TF2001 to 13 in TB.

Chaley