rank problem

hyperstork · 08-04-2004, 12:17 PM

Help! I've created a heavyweight division from the 1920s-1930s with about 70 fighters (some real, plus a lot of 1 rated trialhorses). Anyway, I have the options set to 15 fights to get in the top 10 ranks, and the default of 10 fights to be ranked. Despite this, the game ignores me. I generate about 800 fights in 1928 with the autoscheduler to give the base fighters about 17-25 fights each and start the rankings. However when I add some new guys in 1929, they often get ranked in the top 10 with good early records, even when I have them fight the lowest 60+ ranked fighters. For instance, Primo Carnera gets ranked #7 after a 9-0 record his first year, way up above fighters with 25-1 type-records. In fact George Godfrey has an 18-0 record but is behind Primo at #8, and Primo has only fought dogmeat at this point.

This is really, really frustrating. Is the options screen setting screwed up, is it just ignoring me, or what do I do?

hyperstork · 08-04-2004, 09:01 PM

After doing some testing, I sometimes see a boxer win a single fight and get into the top 10 rankings in the situation above!

Any workaround so I can still use the autoscheduler? I'm afraid this may be a game breaker for me if I can't find a way to keep it from ranking new fighters in the top 10 like this rather than letting them work their way up...

Cap · 08-04-2004, 11:31 PM

Tom Trunzo might want to address this situation. Have you altered Carnera or Godfrey for starters? This whole question about the rankings has come up before. It's supposed to base things on a fighter's last ten fights. If fighter A has 25 fights, but lost one of his last ten, I can see him ranked below a guy who has won his last ten straight. It shouldn't happen in real life though. A fighter's rank after a bout should depend on where he was ranked before the bout, did he win or lose the bout, who did he fight (where was the opponent ranked and what is his OR and recent W-L record), what was his record prior to the bout, what is his OR, and maybe his drawing power should be considered as well. Then you'd likely also have to look at the other fighters in the rankings. Maybe you need to hit a refresh rankings button after you're finished fighting for the day (?).

Cap

Gunsmoke · 08-05-2004, 06:06 AM

I actually believe that this is not a problem but a mislabeled feature if I understand your problem from your description.

If the rankings you are looking at are in the Fighters screen and is next to the fighters' overall ratings then the rankings are not really rankings in the titles type vein. What is listed here is the fighters ranked in Performance Points order. You can verify this by going to the Stats screen and then listing the fighters in order of Performance Points in a particular weight class you'll see that is the same as the rankings in the fighters screen. If you go to the Titles screen and select a title and view the rankings the screen will only show fighters who qualify (number of fights) and the rankings will be different than in the Fighters screen.

I hope that all made sense

If that isn't your problem then I'll need more details to help you any further.

Cheers,
Mark

Dave1877 · 08-05-2004, 06:47 AM

Yes so one possible way to get around this would be to go to options and set it so that a fighter can only be listed in the title rankings if he has 10,15 or 20 fights for example. The default number of fights should be 10 to get into the title rankings if I remember right, so your newcomers would have to fight at least 10 times to be considered for the world title rankings.

hyperstork · 08-05-2004, 08:57 AM

I've been using stats for real-world fighters from files at Cornerwork, then adding fictional guys.

So, the perfromance points are the culprit! I noticed the offenders wouldn't show up in the WBA title top10 until after 10 fights.

However- my problem is using the autoscheduler at this point. When I've got a 3-0 guy that's rated #8 in perf points under the fighters tab, how do I keep him from being matched against a real top10 fighter next autoscheduled match?
That's the real kicker for me, wanting to schedule fights this way without having it be all whacked from reality, where new fighters would be groomed along. If I ask the scheduler to match fighters ranked #1 to #20 with each other in blue and red corners, it picks up the rankings from the fighter screen and pits the new boxers against the seasoned top10 pros. I asked it to use the WBA rules but that seems to have no effect on scheduling the ranks.

Any suggestions?

Dave1877 · 08-05-2004, 09:22 AM

I don't really know, but one thing you could do is when auto scheduling, is before you do it, go to the fighters tab, and untick the boxes of the top 10 fighters where it says 'Include in Autoschedules'. You may have to autoschedule in blocks, so that the newcomers don't face top 10 opposition. I might not have sussed out what you mean fully, but this might help.

Dave1877 · 08-05-2004, 09:29 AM

Bytheway, how are the 'title rankings' worked out? It seems pointless to me because all of the title rankings are the same as in the fighters tab, therefore based on performance points. Anyone help?

hyperstork · 08-05-2004, 11:14 AM

I deleted all titles but the WBA so to have only a unified title (plus I thought maybe the other titles were messing up the rankings at first). The ranks in the WBA seem the same as the fighter screen ranks.

Found a way to use a hex editor to find the performance points of a single fight (it's 10 hex-bytes before the name of the fight opponent), then in the fighters.dat searched for that float value and edited it to be about -31. This knocks a fighter way back down, and only by doing well can he climb back up the list. I did it to Max Baer who was ranked #8 after only four fights- now he's had to crawl back up from #35 in the ranks, and with a 19-4 record is #8 in rank.

But, I wish there was an easier way.... :<

hyperstork · 08-05-2004, 04:40 PM

Update- looks like there might indeed be an easier way. On the fighter screen there's a tiny arrow one can click next to "record," and along with the fighter's wins, etc, one can change their performance points. A little easier than hex editing!

Dave1877 · 08-05-2004, 05:43 PM

Sorry mate I thought you knew about that!! Are you sure you didn't know that you could edit performance points?!

hyperstork · 08-05-2004, 09:14 PM

I wouldn't have asked for help if I'd known all along.

The manual seems to have a lot of gaps regarding newer feautures, at least when I search it for words, etc.

08-04-2004, 12:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
hyperstork Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 8	top10 rankings/autoscheduler problem- help! Help! I've created a heavyweight division from the 1920s-1930s with about 70 fighters (some real, plus a lot of 1 rated trialhorses). Anyway, I have the options set to 15 fights to get in the top 10 ranks, and the default of 10 fights to be ranked. Despite this, the game ignores me. I generate about 800 fights in 1928 with the autoscheduler to give the base fighters about 17-25 fights each and start the rankings. However when I add some new guys in 1929, they often get ranked in the top 10 with good early records, even when I have them fight the lowest 60+ ranked fighters. For instance, Primo Carnera gets ranked #7 after a 9-0 record his first year, way up above fighters with 25-1 type-records. In fact George Godfrey has an 18-0 record but is behind Primo at #8, and Primo has only fought dogmeat at this point. This is really, really frustrating. Is the options screen setting screwed up, is it just ignoring me, or what do I do? Last edited by hyperstork : 08-04-2004 at 09:02 PM. Reason: clearer title

08-04-2004, 11:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 4,004	Tom Trunzo might want to address this situation. Have you altered Carnera or Godfrey for starters? This whole question about the rankings has come up before. It's supposed to base things on a fighter's last ten fights. If fighter A has 25 fights, but lost one of his last ten, I can see him ranked below a guy who has won his last ten straight. It shouldn't happen in real life though. A fighter's rank after a bout should depend on where he was ranked before the bout, did he win or lose the bout, who did he fight (where was the opponent ranked and what is his OR and recent W-L record), what was his record prior to the bout, what is his OR, and maybe his drawing power should be considered as well. Then you'd likely also have to look at the other fighters in the rankings. Maybe you need to hit a refresh rankings button after you're finished fighting for the day (?). Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

08-05-2004, 06:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
Gunsmoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 945	I actually believe that this is not a problem but a mislabeled feature if I understand your problem from your description. If the rankings you are looking at are in the Fighters screen and is next to the fighters' overall ratings then the rankings are not really rankings in the titles type vein. What is listed here is the fighters ranked in Performance Points order. You can verify this by going to the Stats screen and then listing the fighters in order of Performance Points in a particular weight class you'll see that is the same as the rankings in the fighters screen. If you go to the Titles screen and select a title and view the rankings the screen will only show fighters who qualify (number of fights) and the rankings will be different than in the Fighters screen. I hope that all made sense If that isn't your problem then I'll need more details to help you any further. Cheers, Mark __________________ Cornerwork the Title Bout Championship Boxing fansite!

08-05-2004, 09:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
hyperstork Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 8	I wouldn't have asked for help if I'd known all along. The manual seems to have a lot of gaps regarding newer feautures, at least when I search it for words, etc. Last edited by hyperstork : 08-05-2004 at 09:16 PM. Reason: first post was a bit sarcastic

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08-04-2004, 09:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
hyperstork Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 8	After doing some testing, I sometimes see a boxer win a single fight and get into the top 10 rankings in the situation above! Any workaround so I can still use the autoscheduler? I'm afraid this may be a game breaker for me if I can't find a way to keep it from ranking new fighters in the top 10 like this rather than letting them work their way up...

08-05-2004, 06:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	Yes so one possible way to get around this would be to go to options and set it so that a fighter can only be listed in the title rankings if he has 10,15 or 20 fights for example. The default number of fights should be 10 to get into the title rankings if I remember right, so your newcomers would have to fight at least 10 times to be considered for the world title rankings.

08-05-2004, 08:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
hyperstork Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 8	I've been using stats for real-world fighters from files at Cornerwork, then adding fictional guys. So, the perfromance points are the culprit! I noticed the offenders wouldn't show up in the WBA title top10 until after 10 fights. However- my problem is using the autoscheduler at this point. When I've got a 3-0 guy that's rated #8 in perf points under the fighters tab, how do I keep him from being matched against a real top10 fighter next autoscheduled match? That's the real kicker for me, wanting to schedule fights this way without having it be all whacked from reality, where new fighters would be groomed along. If I ask the scheduler to match fighters ranked #1 to #20 with each other in blue and red corners, it picks up the rankings from the fighter screen and pits the new boxers against the seasoned top10 pros. I asked it to use the WBA rules but that seems to have no effect on scheduling the ranks. Any suggestions?

08-05-2004, 09:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	I don't really know, but one thing you could do is when auto scheduling, is before you do it, go to the fighters tab, and untick the boxes of the top 10 fighters where it says 'Include in Autoschedules'. You may have to autoschedule in blocks, so that the newcomers don't face top 10 opposition. I might not have sussed out what you mean fully, but this might help.

08-05-2004, 09:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	Bytheway, how are the 'title rankings' worked out? It seems pointless to me because all of the title rankings are the same as in the fighters tab, therefore based on performance points. Anyone help?

08-05-2004, 11:14 AM	#9 (permalink)
hyperstork Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 8	I deleted all titles but the WBA so to have only a unified title (plus I thought maybe the other titles were messing up the rankings at first). The ranks in the WBA seem the same as the fighter screen ranks. Found a way to use a hex editor to find the performance points of a single fight (it's 10 hex-bytes before the name of the fight opponent), then in the fighters.dat searched for that float value and edited it to be about -31. This knocks a fighter way back down, and only by doing well can he climb back up the list. I did it to Max Baer who was ranked #8 after only four fights- now he's had to crawl back up from #35 in the ranks, and with a 19-4 record is #8 in rank. But, I wish there was an easier way.... :<

08-05-2004, 04:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
hyperstork Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 8	Update- looks like there might indeed be an easier way. On the fighter screen there's a tiny arrow one can click next to "record," and along with the fighter's wins, etc, one can change their performance points. A little easier than hex editing!

08-05-2004, 05:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	Sorry mate I thought you knew about that!! Are you sure you didn't know that you could edit performance points?!