Amateur Draft - Seems very unrealistic

rizzyo · 04-07-2012, 01:30 PM

So can someone explain in detail what is going on with the draft? Consistently I see rounds 1 and 2 with 17-21 picks. I know compensation changed to 12.4M (or whatever)... but I cannot imagine that in 2013, 2014, the real life MLB draft will have 17 first round picks.

injury log · 04-07-2012, 01:49 PM

That's what's supposed to happen with the new draft rules. Sign a Type A free agent, you lose your first round pick. But it just disappears. The team that lost the free agent gets a compensation pick in the Supplemental 1st round only.

magnet · 04-07-2012, 08:07 PM

I'm still not convinced this is working correctly. From one example on another board, 2013 draft in the MLB quickstart

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Round 1: 20 picks
Supplemental: 39 picks
Round 2: 19 picks (1-18, skip 19, 20)
Round 3: 23 picks
Round 4: 26 picks
Round 5: 29 picks

soadeathdealer · 04-07-2012, 08:51 PM

its working how it was programed to . some things with the new CBA could not be added to 13 do to time and plus the mlb but 14 should have the complete cba rules in it if coding allows

u can disable the new cba rules in the game setup and then u can use the old rules if u still have comp enabled

click HERE to see the new CBA rules on ur browser there are other places to view the new CBA rules but this is just one place

injury log · 04-07-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by magnet

I'm still not convinced this is working correctly. From one example on another board, 2013 draft in the MLB quickstart

Well... I didn't say it was working correctly in OOTP.

I haven't had a chance to get to a draft yet.

In the new CBA, when a team signs a compensation-eligible pick, that team is supposed to lose their highest draft choice, unless that pick is one of the first 10 picks of the draft. Then they lose their second highest. But the pick they lose just vanishes, so the first round (and later rounds, possibly) can get shorter than 30 picks long. Any team losing a comp-eligible free agent simply gains a Supplemental 1st round pick and nothing else - they don't get a draft pick from the team that signed their free agent.

So yes, in future MLB drafts, some early rounds will be shorter than 30 picks. The numbers magnet posted above look a bit odd to me, but mainly because there shouldn't be all that many comp-eligible FAs under the new rules. It looks like 39 comp-eligible FAs signed, which is why 39 picks vanished from the early rounds of the draft.

magnet · 04-07-2012, 11:46 PM

I think the issue is the number of FA's being given Type A status.

rizzyo · 04-07-2012, 11:59 PM

It absolutely is not working right, the threshold for FA comp is estimated to be 12.4M/yr, currently OOTP gives it out at FAR lower thresholds.

Should be an easy fix.

PSUColonel · 04-08-2012, 12:03 AM

Someone needs to bring this to Markus's attention.

injury log · 04-08-2012, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizzyo

It absolutely is not working right, the threshold for FA comp is estimated to be 12.4M/yr, currently OOTP gives it out at FAR lower thresholds.

Should be an easy fix.

I haven't had a chance to look at this at all, but if you have, and if it appears that OOTP is assigning Type A status incorrectly, it would be great if you could report it in the bug thread. With luck, that might mean Markus can fix it for the upcoming public release, if it is indeed an easy fix.

Faaip De Oiad · 04-08-2012, 09:54 AM

I think we should get an email letting us know what the budget is for the first 10 rounds. Also I thought they did away with A and B types. I thought you had to tender an offer sort of like football. Also the player has to be with the team for the whole year. No trading for players to get comped.

rizzyo · 04-08-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by injury log

I haven't had a chance to look at this at all, but if you have, and if it appears that OOTP is assigning Type A status incorrectly, it would be great if you could report it in the bug thread. With luck, that might mean Markus can fix it for the upcoming public release, if it is indeed an easy fix.

I have. Hope he sees it. Going to be hard to do online leagues before that

The Wolf · 04-08-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by injury log

It would be great if you could report it in the bug thread.

What? Report a bug in the stickied bug thread? What are you thinking? Don't you know that every potential bug MUST BE REPORTED IN A NEW THREAD? Otherwise it will never get the attention it so clearly needs!

rizzyo · 04-08-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

What? Report a bug in the stickied bug thread? What are you thinking? Don't you know that every potential bug MUST BE REPORTED IN A NEW THREAD? Otherwise it will never get the attention it so clearly needs!

It really is just mindblowing that someone can report a bug AND gather the opinions of others on a specific issue for clarity's sake.

What a world we live in.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-08-2012, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rizzyo

It absolutely is not working right, the threshold for FA comp is estimated to be 12.4M/yr, currently OOTP gives it out at FAR lower thresholds.

Should be an easy fix.

OK, this is tweaked in the patch tomorrow.

David Watts · 04-08-2012, 02:11 PM

nm

The Wolf · 04-08-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rizzyo

It really is just mindblowing that someone can report a bug AND gather the opinions of others on a specific issue for clarity's sake.

Oh yeah, that's so much much more dramatic than posting with the rest of the bugs in the bug reporting thread where everyone expects to find bug reports, because no one would ever read it there or comment on it or act on it.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-08-2012, 03:10 PM

Relax guys. The bug is history.

rizzyo · 04-08-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Oh yeah, that's so much much more dramatic than posting with the rest of the bugs in the bug reporting thread where everyone expects to find bug reports, because no one would ever read it there or comment on it or act on it.

Must be a "heavy flow" week

There's nothing dramatic about asking (and being informed) about how the new CBA is working. I'll apologize for my lack of understanding, but without making this thread, I wouldnt have figured that out.

And oh, it led to a bug fix. Guess it worked out for everyone.

injury log · 04-08-2012, 04:06 PM

Info about the new Collective Bargaining Agreement is very sketchy in places (since as far as I'm aware, the actual text of the agreement hasn't been released yet), and I'm sure most baseball fans aren't yet acquainted with a lot of the details. Not sure why anyone would think it a bad idea to start a thread about it.

Anyway, arguing on the internet is a bit of a waste of time.

Craig Scarborough · 04-08-2012, 10:08 PM

Is the $12.4 million figure going to be dynamic, Markus? Based on this document, the $12.4 million is based on the top 125 salaries from the previous season.

A lot of good stuff in there - a lot I didn't know.

04-07-2012, 01:30 PM	#1
rizzyo Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 19	Amateur Draft - Seems very unrealistic So can someone explain in detail what is going on with the draft? Consistently I see rounds 1 and 2 with 17-21 picks. I know compensation changed to 12.4M (or whatever)... but I cannot imagine that in 2013, 2014, the real life MLB draft will have 17 first round picks. Last edited by rizzyo; 04-08-2012 at 12:43 AM.

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soadeathdealer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: VA Posts: 2,140	its working how it was programed to . some things with the new CBA could not be added to 13 do to time and plus the mlb but 14 should have the complete cba rules in it if coding allows u can disable the new cba rules in the game setup and then u can use the old rules if u still have comp enabled click HERE to see the new CBA rules on ur browser there are other places to view the new CBA rules but this is just one place __________________ Jerseys and caps/logos and more http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...%20and%20caps/ Leagues OOTP POTD: Vermont/Co-Commish MTBL: League Closed The Show: Jacksonville Bombers RFTP : Braves/co-commish: League Closed HRBL: Commish: League Closed DDSPF WWPF- Miami CSFL- Tampa USFL: New Orleans DDSCF SNCFL: Florida/ JMU Last edited by soadeathdealer; 04-07-2012 at 08:57 PM.

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04-07-2012, 01:49 PM	#2
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	That's what's supposed to happen with the new draft rules. Sign a Type A free agent, you lose your first round pick. But it just disappears. The team that lost the free agent gets a compensation pick in the Supplemental 1st round only.

04-07-2012, 11:46 PM	#6
magnet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,029	I think the issue is the number of FA's being given Type A status.

04-07-2012, 11:59 PM	#7
rizzyo Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 19	It absolutely is not working right, the threshold for FA comp is estimated to be 12.4M/yr, currently OOTP gives it out at FAR lower thresholds. Should be an easy fix.

04-08-2012, 12:03 AM	#8
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,005 Blog Entries: 37	Someone needs to bring this to Markus's attention.

04-08-2012, 09:54 AM	#10
Faaip De Oiad Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 260	I think we should get an email letting us know what the budget is for the first 10 rounds. Also I thought they did away with A and B types. I thought you had to tender an offer sort of like football. Also the player has to be with the team for the whole year. No trading for players to get comped.

04-08-2012, 02:11 PM	#15
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 8,905	nm

04-08-2012, 04:06 PM	#19
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	Info about the new Collective Bargaining Agreement is very sketchy in places (since as far as I'm aware, the actual text of the agreement hasn't been released yet), and I'm sure most baseball fans aren't yet acquainted with a lot of the details. Not sure why anyone would think it a bad idea to start a thread about it. Anyway, arguing on the internet is a bit of a waste of time.

04-08-2012, 10:08 PM	#20
Craig Scarborough All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 551	Is the $12.4 million figure going to be dynamic, Markus? Based on this document, the $12.4 million is based on the top 125 salaries from the previous season. A lot of good stuff in there - a lot I didn't know.