MLB Rosters: What are the problems?

battists · 07-05-2008, 11:39 PM

We're always trying to improve the MLB roster set. We're aware of an issue with the MLB rosters that causes the AI to move many of the AAA players out of AAA.

Ignoring that for a moment (we're not, but just for this thread).

What other problems are you aware of with the MLB rosters? Including missing players, etc. The more detail you can give, the better (for example, Bob Smith, SS, should be on the Pawtucket Red Sox), etc.

Players in wrong positions are fine to mention, but I'd like to stay away from ratings discussions unless they're truly egregious, like A-rod being 1-1-1-1-1 or something like that.

We have our own ideas on this stuff, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to open it up to you guys too!

Thanks!

joeconners · 07-05-2008, 11:50 PM

Does this include things like positions of certain players, or is this limited to things like missing players?

I generally play as the White Sox, and it shows Lance Broadway and Gavin Floyd (starting pitchers) as being relievers with very low endurance ratings.

kagnew35 · 07-06-2008, 12:09 AM

player placement for Red Sox; SP Bartolo Colon, of Bobby Kielty both started season at AAA on minor league deals, RP David Aardsma on active roster along with SP Clay Bucholz. IF Alex Cora on active roster as well. C Kottarras is in AAA and C Cash on active roster. Believe some of the ratings are a bit low

TurboTrigga · 07-06-2008, 12:14 AM

Nick Johnson (WSH) has no OF ratings...as in - for each of range arm and error. He played there in some spring training games this spring and played like two games with NYY in LF at some point. He should have OF ratings similar to that of Dmitri Young.

I think Zimmerman and Cristian Guzman's ratings need re-evaluated.

Also Brandon Phillips is a Gold Glove quality 2B and his defensive ratings should display that

dougaiton · 07-06-2008, 01:49 AM

Some teams have upwards of $15million dollars of accrued player expenses, presumably by releasing players before the roster started during editing that were never wiped. This leads to some teams making $20million losses in the first year.

Finances are a bit loony in the initial ten years of a sim, with teams spending millions on so-so players then unable to sign stars.

joeconners · 07-06-2008, 02:00 AM

Also for the White Sox:

Alexei Ramirez's speed ratings seem quite low.

Carlos Quentin's batting potential seems quite low.

Pablo Ozuna seems a bit over-rated as well.

justafan · 07-06-2008, 05:15 AM

Midwest League(A)

Quad City Swing

should be

Quad Cities River Bandits

dzanr · 07-06-2008, 06:21 AM

Gary Matthews, JR - Los Angeles Angels - has no defensive rating in LF.

Matthews is only rated in CF and RF. While it is true that GMJ played no LF in 2006 and 2007, he did play there in all 6 of seasons before those. And more importantly, he's being used in LF a lot this 2008 season.

The breakdown of his games played by OF position so far this season: RF - 28 games, LF - 26 games, CF - 11 games.

It seems reasonable to me that for accuracy sake GMJ should have a LF rating close to his ratings in CF and RF since LF is the least demanding of the 3 OF positions.

DZ

ps. Any word on when the AAA roster problem will be resolved? Patch #2?

clamel · 07-06-2008, 06:58 AM

Well, as mentioned before by some other than me.

Charlie Morton and Jason Perry in Braves are missing.

Ceej · 07-06-2008, 07:54 AM

Is this thread only for errors in the 2008 rosters, or does it include errors in historical rosters as well? If this is for 2008 only, in which forum should I post mistakes I find in historical rosters?

Raidergoo · 07-06-2008, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej

Is this thread only for errors in the 2008 rosters, or does it include errors in historical rosters as well? If this is for 2008 only, in which forum should I post mistakes I find in historical rosters?

2008 only.

KySteveH · 07-06-2008, 10:26 AM

Major league numbers were not bad. Overall, the NL had an overall BA at .264, about 4 points lower than normal. OBP, SLG, HR were similarly down, but only by a small amount. Puching numbers were a litlle high, as you might expect based on the offensive numbers. (Of course, by high, I mean low ERA, low WHIP, etc.)

Stolen bases were high. The NL had 1894 stolen bases for the year, over the 16 teams.

I found the minor league numbers to be way off though.

Over the 4 full-season leagues, overall BA was .225 - .237. That seems low. SLG, OBP, were similarly depressed. As you can imaging, picthing numbers were equally skewed.

1998 Yankees · 07-06-2008, 10:40 AM

Two minor things that I posted here:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...1-post140.html

Skip the wordy edits.

KySteveH · 07-06-2008, 10:53 AM

As for individual adjustments, I can really only speak for the team I follow most, the Reds.

I found all but 2 players that began the year on a full-season roster:

Justin Turner Statistics - The Baseball Cube
Ruben Medina Statistics - The Baseball Cube

So that was pretty well done. Also, there was only one player I found that didn't belong, Justin Walker.

When I discuss ratings, I'm using a 1-100 scale. There were a number of players who seemed to have the 1, 2, or 3 ratings, which clearly are better than that. In my mind, a picther should very rarely have a "1" in one of the three main ratings. Most of these were fixed with the first patch.

Overall, batters seem a little underpowered, up and down the roster. Just looking at my AAA team, Gil, Green, Rosales, Hairston seem especially gimped. More minor leaguers that seem low - Cumberland, Kainer, Soto, Anderson...really it might be just an overall trend that makes pitching dominate batting in this roster.

Fielding is a mess. It almost seems that the fielding numbers are random. If that's the case, maybe that should be stated, and we move on. A subset of the fielding issue is that many prospects are not rated at the position they play most. Too many examples to list, but it would seem easy enough to fix.

At the major league level, speed numbers are off for a few players. Freel, Keppinger, Votto, Janish all seem low perhaps. How were speed ratings determined, anyway?

In summary, I bought this game (again) this year hoping for a real roster set that would be ready to play out of the box. This one isn't even close. It feels like all that was done was to create the names of the minor leaguers, put them in the correct org, and maybe adjust a few ratings for some of the most known players. I could have done that myself, and saved the $25.00.

battists · 07-06-2008, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeconners

Does this include things like positions of certain players, or is this limited to things like missing players?

I generally play as the White Sox, and it shows Lance Broadway and Gavin Floyd (starting pitchers) as being relievers with very low endurance ratings.

Positions are fine, but I'd like to stay away from ratings discussions unless they're truly egregious, like A-rod being 1-1-1-1-1 or something like that.

battists · 07-06-2008, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceej

Is this thread only for errors in the 2008 rosters, or does it include errors in historical rosters as well? If this is for 2008 only, in which forum should I post mistakes I find in historical rosters?

As far as errors in historical rosters, you'd probably need to contact Sean Lahman at baseball1.com and Garlon here on the forums. OOTP doesn't have any control over that! We just pull from their files.

Markus Heinsohn · 07-06-2008, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougaiton

Some teams have upwards of $15million dollars of accrued player expenses, presumably by releasing players before the roster started during editing that were never wiped. This leads to some teams making $20million losses in the first year.

Finances are a bit loony in the initial ten years of a sim, with teams spending millions on so-so players then unable to sign stars.

That was fixed in the latest update of the rosters.

b10wick · 07-06-2008, 11:42 AM

I've found a couple..

You had Chris Woodward on both the Atlanta Braves minor league system and Philadelphia Phillies minor league system, when he should only be in the Phillies.

Joakim Soria was listed in the Mariners organization (Forget which level he was on, may have been the Majors, not sure), when he should be in the Royals as their closer.. not Ron Mahay.

As someone mentioned in a post before me, and as I have mentioned in a post in another thread... The Atlanta Braves are missing big time prospect Charlie Morton and OF Jason Perry from their roster.

GardnerFTW · 07-06-2008, 12:43 PM

1B Michael Aubrey for Cleveland (might be in AAA Buffalo, sorry I don't recall off hand or have the game open) has position ratings at 2B & either 3B or SS. Being a lefty, I don't believe he has ever played either of those positions.

deadringer · 07-06-2008, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

Positions are fine, but I'd like to stay away from ratings discussions unless they're truly egregious, like A-rod being 1-1-1-1-1 or something like that.

Would you mind explaining what method the roster creation team used to come up with the ratings? I asked before and was completely ignored.

07-05-2008, 11:39 PM	#1
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	MLB Rosters: What are the problems? We're always trying to improve the MLB roster set. We're aware of an issue with the MLB rosters that causes the AI to move many of the AAA players out of AAA. Ignoring that for a moment (we're not, but just for this thread). What other problems are you aware of with the MLB rosters? Including missing players, etc. The more detail you can give, the better (for example, Bob Smith, SS, should be on the Pawtucket Red Sox), etc. Players in wrong positions are fine to mention, but I'd like to stay away from ratings discussions unless they're truly egregious, like A-rod being 1-1-1-1-1 or something like that. We have our own ideas on this stuff, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to open it up to you guys too! Thanks! Last edited by battists; 07-06-2008 at 10:54 AM.

07-06-2008, 12:09 AM	#3
kagnew35 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nev Posts: 1,965	player placement for Red Sox; SP Bartolo Colon, of Bobby Kielty both started season at AAA on minor league deals, RP David Aardsma on active roster along with SP Clay Bucholz. IF Alex Cora on active roster as well. C Kottarras is in AAA and C Cash on active roster. Believe some of the ratings are a bit low __________________ Elder Statesman of the Board http://www.soxxcountry.com/ site with FaceGen Central and Duffys Tavern Live OOTP Chat Room

07-06-2008, 12:14 AM	#4
TurboTrigga Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 62	Nick Johnson (WSH) has no OF ratings...as in - for each of range arm and error. He played there in some spring training games this spring and played like two games with NYY in LF at some point. He should have OF ratings similar to that of Dmitri Young. I think Zimmerman and Cristian Guzman's ratings need re-evaluated. Also Brandon Phillips is a Gold Glove quality 2B and his defensive ratings should display that Last edited by TurboTrigga; 07-06-2008 at 12:17 AM.

07-06-2008, 01:49 AM	#5
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Some teams have upwards of $15million dollars of accrued player expenses, presumably by releasing players before the roster started during editing that were never wiped. This leads to some teams making $20million losses in the first year. Finances are a bit loony in the initial ten years of a sim, with teams spending millions on so-so players then unable to sign stars. __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

07-06-2008, 05:15 AM	#7
justafan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: S. Carolina Posts: 5,297	Wrong Team Midwest League(A) Quad City Swing should be Quad Cities River Bandits __________________

07-05-2008, 11:50 PM	#2
joeconners Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nagoya, Japan Posts: 55	Does this include things like positions of certain players, or is this limited to things like missing players? I generally play as the White Sox, and it shows Lance Broadway and Gavin Floyd (starting pitchers) as being relievers with very low endurance ratings.

07-06-2008, 02:00 AM	#6
joeconners Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nagoya, Japan Posts: 55	Also for the White Sox: Alexei Ramirez's speed ratings seem quite low. Carlos Quentin's batting potential seems quite low. Pablo Ozuna seems a bit over-rated as well.

07-06-2008, 06:21 AM	#8
dzanr Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 23	Gary Matthews, JR - Los Angeles Angels - has no defensive rating in LF. Matthews is only rated in CF and RF. While it is true that GMJ played no LF in 2006 and 2007, he did play there in all 6 of seasons before those. And more importantly, he's being used in LF a lot this 2008 season. The breakdown of his games played by OF position so far this season: RF - 28 games, LF - 26 games, CF - 11 games. It seems reasonable to me that for accuracy sake GMJ should have a LF rating close to his ratings in CF and RF since LF is the least demanding of the 3 OF positions. DZ ps. Any word on when the AAA roster problem will be resolved? Patch #2?

07-06-2008, 06:58 AM	#9
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,034	Well, as mentioned before by some other than me. Charlie Morton and Jason Perry in Braves are missing.

07-06-2008, 07:54 AM	#10
Ceej Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 190	Is this thread only for errors in the 2008 rosters, or does it include errors in historical rosters as well? If this is for 2008 only, in which forum should I post mistakes I find in historical rosters?

07-06-2008, 10:26 AM	#12
KySteveH Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 266	Major league numbers were not bad. Overall, the NL had an overall BA at .264, about 4 points lower than normal. OBP, SLG, HR were similarly down, but only by a small amount. Puching numbers were a litlle high, as you might expect based on the offensive numbers. (Of course, by high, I mean low ERA, low WHIP, etc.) Stolen bases were high. The NL had 1894 stolen bases for the year, over the 16 teams. I found the minor league numbers to be way off though. Over the 4 full-season leagues, overall BA was .225 - .237. That seems low. SLG, OBP, were similarly depressed. As you can imaging, picthing numbers were equally skewed.

07-06-2008, 10:40 AM	#13
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Two minor things that I posted here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...1-post140.html Skip the wordy edits.

07-06-2008, 10:53 AM	#14
KySteveH Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 266	As for individual adjustments, I can really only speak for the team I follow most, the Reds. I found all but 2 players that began the year on a full-season roster: Justin Turner Statistics - The Baseball Cube Ruben Medina Statistics - The Baseball Cube So that was pretty well done. Also, there was only one player I found that didn't belong, Justin Walker. When I discuss ratings, I'm using a 1-100 scale. There were a number of players who seemed to have the 1, 2, or 3 ratings, which clearly are better than that. In my mind, a picther should very rarely have a "1" in one of the three main ratings. Most of these were fixed with the first patch. Overall, batters seem a little underpowered, up and down the roster. Just looking at my AAA team, Gil, Green, Rosales, Hairston seem especially gimped. More minor leaguers that seem low - Cumberland, Kainer, Soto, Anderson...really it might be just an overall trend that makes pitching dominate batting in this roster. Fielding is a mess. It almost seems that the fielding numbers are random. If that's the case, maybe that should be stated, and we move on. A subset of the fielding issue is that many prospects are not rated at the position they play most. Too many examples to list, but it would seem easy enough to fix. At the major league level, speed numbers are off for a few players. Freel, Keppinger, Votto, Janish all seem low perhaps. How were speed ratings determined, anyway? In summary, I bought this game (again) this year hoping for a real roster set that would be ready to play out of the box. This one isn't even close. It feels like all that was done was to create the names of the minor leaguers, put them in the correct org, and maybe adjust a few ratings for some of the most known players. I could have done that myself, and saved the $25.00.

07-06-2008, 11:42 AM	#18
b10wick Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 319	I've found a couple.. You had Chris Woodward on both the Atlanta Braves minor league system and Philadelphia Phillies minor league system, when he should only be in the Phillies. Joakim Soria was listed in the Mariners organization (Forget which level he was on, may have been the Majors, not sure), when he should be in the Royals as their closer.. not Ron Mahay. As someone mentioned in a post before me, and as I have mentioned in a post in another thread... The Atlanta Braves are missing big time prospect Charlie Morton and OF Jason Perry from their roster.

07-06-2008, 12:43 PM	#19
GardnerFTW Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 17	1B Michael Aubrey for Cleveland (might be in AAA Buffalo, sorry I don't recall off hand or have the game open) has position ratings at 2B & either 3B or SS. Being a lefty, I don't believe he has ever played either of those positions.