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Old 08-15-2009, 11:46 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I was wondering exactly what Mickey Rourke’s nickname of “El Marielito” meant. I found this definition on Wikipedia. Being that Rourke was raised in south Florida I’m guessing this description of the term is what his nickname is in reference to.

Wikipedia's definition of Marielito:
Marielito is a term applied to roughly 125,000 people who fled to the United States from the Cuban port of Mariel as part of the Mariel boatlift in 1980.

Scarface, a 1983 movie starring Al Pacino, concerns a fictional Marielito, a criminal released from the Cuban prison population to the US. Because a number of prisoners were released alongside other refugees, an impression developed of "Marielitos", and even Cubanexiles in general, as being criminals.
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NEW YORK TIMES December 4th, 1995
“Is Butterbean next for Rourke?”
By Joshua Goldberg

Despite being held to a disputed draw in his last fight (against a 5-18 opponent!), negotiations are ongoing for a fight between Mickey Rourke and Eric Esch, better known as “Butterbean”. The venue of choice is Madison Square Garden on December 15, 1995. It will be the first professional boxing show at the famous venue in two years and is being called, “Return to the Mecca”. The co-main events on the card are Oscar De La Hoya vs. Jesse James Leija and Tracy Harris Patterson vs. Arturo Gatti.

Still to be determined are the number of rounds. Butterbean’s promoter Bob Arum is un-budging on it being for only 4 rounds. Rourke’s manager Matt Murphy would like the fight for 8 or even 10 rounds.
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yeahh lets go for the fatboy!!
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yeahh lets go for the fatboy!!



Butterbean to Mickey Rourke: "BRING IT PRETTY BOY! FOUR ROUNDS OR LESS! THAT'S ALL IT'S GOING TO TAKE ON THE NIGHT OF DECEMBER 15!"
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I say if Butterbean is too afraid to go 8 rounds then go for Gastineau!
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...and in real life, Butterbean has another fight scheduled for October!
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...and in real life, Butterbean has another fight scheduled for October!
Butterbean has had quite the career. When he turned pro in 1994 and first started appearing on ESPN, I don't think many people forsaw him still fighting professionally 15 years later with a record of 77-7-4 (58), including a 10 round decision loss (where he was credited with a knockdown) versus Larry Holmes along the way.
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NEW YORK TIMES December 13th, 1995
“OH…The Disappointment!”
By Joshua Goldberg

Just when it looked like a fight the media and fans could really dig into was going to take place at Madison Square Garden, the ugly 9 letter word known in boxing as “postponed” popped up. The word is almost as bad as the 11 letter relative, “cancelation”. No, I’m not talking about De La Hoya and Leija, or Patterson and Gatti. Thankfully those fights are still on. We are talking about the granddaddy celebrity fight of them all, the fight that not only had the men in barbershops talking, but also women in hair salons deep in discussion.

The BUTTERBEAN vs. MICKEY ROURKE head on collision has been postponed. Why? Butterbean refused to fight in anything other than a four rounder and Rourke’s people would not let him fight anything other than 8 or 10 rounds. “Mickey has worked his way up to fighting 8 round matches and does not want to go backwards by fighting in a 4 rounder,” said Rourke’s manager Matt Murphy. Butterbean’s promoter, Bob Arum, refused to be dictated to by Rourke’s camp how many rounds Butterbean was going to engage in.

So, instead of Butterbean vs. Mickey Rourke, we are getting Butterbean vs. an unknown New York City fighter, named Mitchell Rose, sporting a record of 1-6. After Mark Gastineau turned down fighting Mickey, claiming he didn’t have enough time to train, a comparatively unknown Canadian, living in New York named Darren Zenner was selected to take on the Hollywood actor.

This will be the best fighter Mickey Rourke has ever faced, by FAR. Darren Zenner brings a 17-2-2 (9) record into the ring. The Canadian has some impressive names on his resume: Lu6 Lou DelValle, TKO8 Dominick Carter, TKO12 and KO4 Adam Garland, byTKO2 Tony Thornton, and Ws10 Tyrone Frazier. The two will battle for the vacant New York State Light Heavy title.

According to Rourke’s manager, Matt Murphy, “This might be Mickey’s last professional fight. He wants it to be for a title belt and on a big stage. You don’t get any grander than Madison Square Garden. We know Mickey would kick Butterbean’s ass, but the guy is a joke and Mickey doesn’t want to degrade himself by having his last professional fight against a carnival fighter. I mean Butterbean has had 14 fights and still refuses to go more than 4 rounds. Even though he’d be outweighing Mickey by 125 pounds! Mickey wants to take on a top contender. Darren Zenner has fought and beaten some top level competition. He is a World Rated fighter and is the best fighter Mickey has ever fought.”

Does this mean we will not be treated to a Mickey Rourke vs. Butterbean matchup? Time will tell. A fighter saying they will retire and never fighting again is much different than actually following through on it, especially if the fighter is walking away from millions of dollars and the biggest fight of their career. Plus, why would Mickey Rourke want to deprive the customers in barbershops and hair salons of a good conversation topic.
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The word in the barbershop is both Butterbean and Gastineau are afraid of our Mickey!
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Saturday, December 15, 1995
Madison Square Garden; New York, NY
Mickey Rourke 11-1-3 (5) California
vs. (10 rounds for vacant New York State title)
Darren Zenner 17-2-2 (9) New York

- After an agreement could not be reached between the Rourke and Butterbean camps in regards to how many rounds the fight would be, Rourke opted for a challenge for the vacant New York State Light Heavy Weight title. Mickey qualified for the fight based on having been born in Schenectady, New York. >>
- Butterbean would also fight on the card and go on to be upset by Brooklyn’s Mitchell Rose 1-6, losing by TKO in 2 rounds.
- There were 16,027 fans on hand to witness professional boxing return to the Garden for a fight card being televised on HBO. The vast majority of the fans booed Rourke upon his introduction and cheered the unknown Darren Zenner. Now living in Port Chester, NY, the 24 year old Zenner was born and raised in Grand Prairie, Canada. Zenner reportedly had little regard for Rourke and made it clear that he would knock the Hollywood actor out in the first round. Unconfirmed rumors out of Port Chester were that Zenner’s training camp had been less than ideal and that he did not put in nearly the amount of time that his handlers would have liked. The vast majority of Zenner’s previous 21 fights had been in the 168 pound weight class and at the weigh-in he appeared to be much smaller than Mickey Rourke.
- In Zenner’s biggest fight to date, he’d been stopped inside of 2 rounds by Tony Thornton at Philadelphia’s famous “Blue Horizon”. His biggest win had been his last, when he beat Philadelphia’s Tyrone Frazier for the New York State Super Middle Weight title by split decision over 10 rounds.
- Also on the card was pairing between two Rourke nemesis’ Toby Tyler and Joe Harris, in an 8 rounder. Tyler won, knocking out Harris in round 4. He promptly demanded, to anyone who would listen, that Rourke meet him in a rubber match.
- Amazingly, Rourke was listed as a 2-1 favorite to defeat the world ranked Zenner!
- This was the eighth fight, since Rourke had postponed his initially planned retirement. For all 8 of those fights he had trained diligently as mandated by Freddie Roach. For this fight, the biggest of his career and the first one to be televised, Rourke broke that training routine. There were several media photos showing Rourke in the company of multiple lady friends well past a reasonable bedtime hour. There were reports of a few all night drinking episodes. Manager Matt Murphy confirmed the rumors, “I’m not sure why, but for whatever reason Mickey got into the whiskey and women before this fight. I believe this will be his last professional prize fight. Even should it not be, Freddie Roach has let it be known that he will no longer be working in Mickey’s corner after this fight because of all the late night escapades.” Surprisingly, Rourke still appeared to be in shape at the weigh in.

ROUND 1: Zenner came out for the first looking to follow up on his promise to knock out Rourke early. Zenner missed with his first 2 bombs and laughed at the retreating Rourke. Zenner then landed a laser right hand that hurt Rourke. Zenner then motioned for Rourke to come at him and fight. Zenner began to work over Rourke’s body as well as his head. A deliberate low blow from Rourke drew a stern warning from referee Joe Santarpia. Zenner indicated that he was fine and eager to continue, so the fighting resumed. A right hand off the top of Mickey’s head sent him reeling backwards. Rourke lay against the ropes badly hurt while Zenner proceeded to nail him with several more punches until the bell rang. At which point, Rourke landed his best punch of the fight. A right hand that Zenner smiled at and referee Santarpia warned Rourke for. (Zenner 32-12)


ROUND 2: Rourke came out for round 2 with a small egg beginning to form under his right eye. Looking better than he had in any of his previous 15 fights, Rourke made Zenner miss and then countered with nice hooks. Zenner and 16,000+ in attendance were surprised by the resiliency and skills of Rouke and didn’t seem to know exactly how to respond to it. (Zenner 32-24)


ROUND 3: Zenner became defensive in round 3 and Rouke did little more than pose and hold. After 3 rounds Ringside Expert Mark Elwood had Zenner pitching a shutout 30-27. (Zenner 14-0)


ROUND 4: The right eye of Rourke continued to swell (4). Zenner resumed his offensive attacks, but was met with several brutal body shots from Rourke. Zenner was getting the better of the exchanges, but Rourke was starting to win over the crowd with his gameness! In a career rarity for Rouke, boxing fans were genuinely cheering for him. Punches landed for the fight: Zenner 116 to 53 for Rourke. (Zenner 38-17

ROUND 5: Rourke continued to fight defensively with his mauling style. His right eye (8) was nearly ˝ closed. Although visibly tired, Zenner continued to be the aggressor throwing and landing more punches. (Zenner 26-6).


ROUND 6: The fight was becoming exceedingly one sided and a referee stoppage more likely. Rourke was beginning to resemble a punching bag. He did little more than hold and grab, while absorbing punches to his head and body. Still the crowd was cheering for him out of respect for his ability to take a beating if nothing else. The scorecard of Ringside Expert Mark Elwood had Zenner in front 59-55. (Zenner 28-0)


ROUND 7: On the bright side for Rourke was that Zenner appeared to be dead tired, he had never expected Rourke to last past round 1, let alone make it to round 7! For his part Rourke looked fresh and was off his stool early to start the round. Rourke came out throwing haymakers, but Zenner easily avoided them and countered with hard shots of his own that did land. A 3 punch combo by Rourke momentarily brought the crowd to their feet, but he was unable to sustain the attack. (Zenner 40-12)


ROUND 8: Rourke’s right eye was closing fast (14). Undiscouraged by his lack of success in the previous 7 rounds, Rourke came out once again looking to land a “Hail Mary” right hand. It was the shorter and straighter right hand of Zenner that landed first and put Rourke on his back. With the crowd urging him to get up Rourke rose on very unsteady legs at the count of 8. Showing plenty of heart, Rourke made it until the bell rang ending the round. (Zenner 18-6)

ROUND 9: Before the fight Mickey Rourke had promised that he would go for the win and that is exactly what he continued to do, letting it all hang out in round 9. The right eye of Rourke was causing him problems seeing. Most of the Rourke punches were missing, but the crowd appreciated his effort and cheered him nonetheless, respectful of the beating he was taking. (Zenner 24-6)

ROUND 10: Rourke and Zenner took turns unloading on one another and the Canadian had some newfound respect for the actor when the bell rang signaling the end of the fight. (Zenner 27-18)


The total punches landed for the fight were Zenner 279 to 101 for Rourke. Ringside Expert Mark Elwood had it 99-90 for Zenner. The right eye of Rourke was badly damaged (13).


The official judges had a unanimous decision 97-94, 99-90, and 99-90 for Zenner. Rourke greeted the decision with a smile and congratulated Zenner. Both fighters received a nice round of applause from the crowd. Rourke didn’t talk to the media after the fight, but his manager Matt Murphy confirmed, “I think this was it. There is no point in going on further. Mickey accomplished his goals and earned the respect of boxing fans. If you can get cheered at the Garden then you have made it!”
Darren Zenner Wu10 Mickey Rourke (wins NY State title)
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"There is no point in going on further"

Say it aint so!
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Nooooooooo!!!!!!!.....
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Naaaaahhhh, Mckey's got a few more fights left in him
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Don't quit now, I was just thinking there might be a open roster spot on the Minnesota Fighting Loons in the UTBA II.
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He'll be back. Just needed a little time to heal his wounds. I think he wants to roll Butterbean.
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I was just thinking there might be a open roster spot on the Minnesota Fighting Loons in the UTBA II.

I don't know.....check out these ratings. I don't see Rourke winning any fights in UTBA II. Although, I'd certainly be rooting for him and be curious to see how he'd fare against some of the best.
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NEW YORK TIMES June 6th, 1996
“Rat…a….tat….tat….rat…a….tat…tat”
By Joshua Goldberg

The speed bag inside the Los Angeles “Outlaw Boxing” gym was humming. There was a time when the fighter underneath it was unable to make it sing. That was about 2 years ago. Now that same fighter can do a lot of things he previously only dreamed about.

In 1994, Mickey Rourke looked upon 1996 as the year he would return to his acting career. So why is he sweating like crazy while whipping a speed bag with a mixture of glee and disdain? “It’s harder to walk away then most fighters expect. Boxing, fighting, is like a drug. There is very little out there like it. Nothing really… just hollow temporary fixes. Even Mickey, with his Hollywood background and experiences of lavish excess, is finding the excitement of boxing difficult to walk away from.” Those were the words of Mickey’s manager, Matt Murphy.

“I think having the crowd in his corner at the Garden has him wanting to fight on more than anything. After all those fights where fans cursed and booed him, to get some cheers….well, Mickey wants some more of that. I really don’t think it’s the money. He can make plenty when he returns to doing movies. For the first few weeks after the Zenner fight he was convinced that he was not going to box again, but as the bruising, soreness, headaches, and swelling went away……he called me in Ireland talking about ‘one more’, now it might happen.” shared Murphy.

The words “no mas” can also get stuck in your throat when Hugh Hefner personally dares you to fight Butterbean at his mansion in a winner take all $12 million dollar fight. Apparently Mr. Hefner is a boxing fan and like many was disappointed when the December 1995 Rourke-Butterbean clash didn’t take place. Money talks and Hefner has plenty enough to make this fight happen.

“When he ran into Hugh Hefner at a Hollywood party and Hefner shared how bad he had wanted to see him fight Butterbean, Mickey really started thinking about having at least one more fight. Then Hefner called and proposed Mickey fighting Butterbean at his mansion in a winner take all match. It was on before he hung up the phone.” Murphy chuckled.

The details still need to be ironed out, but thanks to the intervention of Hugh Hefner, and his own desire to see an entertaining fight between larger than life personalities, it looks like we might be getting Mickey Rourke vs. Butterbean after all.
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Great hook!

Hef should insist on a 12 round "Playboy" Championship fight. 1 mil per round! With the PPV on the Playboy Channel and exclusive photos in the magazine of course.....
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Great hook!

Hef should insist on a 12 round "Playboy" Championship fight. 1 mil per round! With the PPV on the Playboy Channel and exclusive photos in the magazine of course.....

Yes! Great idea with the PPV on the Playboy Channel. That will allow the "Wet T-Shirt Contest" and "Last Woman Standing Mud Wrestling Competition" to be seen.
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OH BOY!!! I cannot WAIT to see the Ring girls for this one!!!!

Time to go all out for this one Crimson. Let your imagination,
and creativity run wild... No holds barred... Maybe a "special"
undercard?? Maybe a midget bout? Hell... go WILD!!!

This is gonna be fun.
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